Danh1 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 minutes ago, NUFC91 said: Sunderland qualified for the Europa League with 54 points, a team who spent 10 years outside the premier League,55 points would of finished 12th last season. I don't get your point. But don’t you know someone bounced back over 3 decades ago? Incredible levels of delusion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 7th should be our par with Villa overtaking Spurs. It'll only take Spurs spending well this summer to knock us back down to 8th if we don't sort our shit out this summer. Biggest 6 months coming up for the board, recruitment staff and Howe since the takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggies Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Ignore the heart, and just focussing on logic and what your brain and eyes are showing… I can’t see any reason why we would keep Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, Mole said: I think the implication is, that they should be aiming to be that consistently. Which I think is fair enough honestly. Yeah, and my implication is that we haven't achieved it very consistently or comfortably, so we're not established top six, so we should maybe stop going on like we are Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Danh1 said: But don’t you know someone bounced back over 3 decades ago? Incredible levels of delusion Klopp and Guardiola bounced back from the same points % drop off just a couple of seasons ago, if the Ferguson example's not seen as relevant. Edited May 24 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, Kid Icarus said: Klopp and Guardiola bounced back from the same points % drop off just a couple of seasons ago, if the Ferguson example's not seen as relevant. They are elite managers tbf, that’s not a dig at Howe btw, but he isn’t in their league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: 7th should be our par with Villa overtaking Spurs. It'll only take Spurs spending well this summer to knock us back down to 8th if we don't sort our shit out this summer. Biggest 6 months coming up for the board, recruitment staff and Howe since the takeover. Howe will get another shot at it. But between him and Wilson they have their work cut out. My fear is that if he doesn't get players who slot right into his methods he won't have a clue what to do with them. A bit like this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, OpenC said: Yeah, and my implication is that we haven't achieved it very consistently or comfortably, so we're not established top six, so we should maybe stop going on like we are Yeah I don't think we are, but it should be the aim. I agree with you that we shouldn't act like it as fans but the football club should probably hold themselves to those standards (and beyond hopefully) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: He talks about it like he's a little detached. As if he isn't the singular driving force behind why the team looks disjointed in the first place. Like he's almost seperated himself mentally to avoid having to be genuinely introspective about his own intellectual malnourishment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, SUPERTOON said: They are elite managers tbf, that’s not a dig at Howe btw, but he isn’t in their league. They also have the built-in revenues at their clubs to shrug off any poor buys one season and go again the next. We don’t have the same luxury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, TRon said: Howe will get another shot at it. But between him and Wilson they have their work cut out. My fear is that if he doesn't get players who slot right into his methods he won't have a clue what to do with them. A bit like this season. Don't think he can afford to sign players to simply bed in and go with come October for instance, as this likely means we're still starting the likes of Pope, Burn & Murphy fairly regularly at the start of the season which we cannot let happen. We need players who'll come in and be the starting player in his position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, SUPERTOON said: They are elite managers tbf, that’s not a dig at Howe btw, but he isn’t in their league. That's part of the point though, even they had the same drop off when transitioning from one set of players to another. Is the expectation of Howe that he should have been able to outperformed them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedders Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 minute ago, KaKa said: One thing that scares me about Eddie, is that he really thinks playing the likes of Murphy in any position, and shoehorning Burn into the team, is good for the team because of their "leadership". They're always straight back into the first team so quickly, after a brief exclusion when they're struggling. Burn should be backup/rotation for Botman and that is it. Murphy should not be starting games anymore and certainly not at the end of the season that is a write off, and the manager is supposed to be figuring stuff out for next season, he should be on his way out the door. This is a great point - Howe said "I'm now looking at next season with my player selection". Erm, sorry - so we're expecting to play with Burn, with Hall out of position, with Murphy and - worst of all - Willock starting? I just thought his words were implying a shift but it's been the same insipid rubbish we've suffered all season. But I suppose these comments are meaningless. Those in charge are sticking with him. I genuinely don't understand - how do you have a CEO and a Sporting Director subservient to your manager?! It's an odd set up. And let's be honest - it's not as if Hopkinson and Wilson were ever elite appointments in the first place, they're both very mid and we still have an exec setup that's eclipsed by most of the Premier League, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Has he gone yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 22 minutes ago, Nedders said: Sometimes I think in football it just is what it is. Like games where you just know in your bones we're not going to score, or in the case of Wissa where you just know the No9 is completely wrong. We've all experienced that among us over the years, good and bad, it's more of just a sense than reasoned or rational. We're there with Howe. It's - to my mind - blatantly obvious we've reached the end of the road. The Barca battering was it. He'd made stupid, unfathomable decisions in the build-up (playing a 1st eleven vs CarrierBag in the 2nd leg was absolutely absurd) and it was long apparent that we needed to freshen up the approach but once we got completely humbled, the answers, the application, the fabric that made us who we are evaporated completely. What followed was players just not buying what Howe was selling and it's fairly easy to see the likes of Gordon, Tonali and others just downing tools. This is not a team that needs new Howe players; this is a team that needs a new direction. Howe has demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that he cannot influence that. And he's had an incredible run, over 5 years is a lifetime in football management but that we have repeated the issues of two years ago cannot be overlooked and we're now saddled with a squad 7th at everything (value, wages, revenue) but finishing 12th, its miles away from good enough. Sunderland in the Europa is a sickener. As I said at the start of this, you just 'know'. Most should surely realise Howe's not coming back from this. Sadly, I don't know that our owners get it. If it were me, I'd have been asking him to step down and giving him the right send off long before now and planning for a future with Iraola, Seb Hoeness or going big like Insaghi or Motta. It's the end of the road, but unfortunately those in power haven't worked that out yet. Complete nonsense. We were NOT humbled by Barcelona. The score totally flattered them. We more than matched them for about 160 minutes ( over two legs). Asking the owners to sack Eddie shows what a complete prick you are. Sorry I'm back, but this type of nonsense infuriates me. Even though your spelling and grammar were excellent, you are a fan we do not want! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 4 minutes ago, Maggies said: Ignore the heart, and just focussing on logic and what your brain and eyes are showing… I can’t see any reason why we would keep Howe. Been quiet the last couple of weeks like this thread though right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 19 minutes ago, astraguy said: It was the transfer window that fucked us,if we fucked isak off asap and got the forwards HE wanted it would of been way different Of course it made an impact, but we cant collapse because of one transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Not sure the limited choices for team selection excuse works for looking disjointed Absoutely didn;t have to play that formation and personnel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Talking about not being mentally ready for the game but doesn't seem to know why or how to elaborate on that, bloke is absolutely finished man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 5 minutes ago, Nedders said: This is a great point - Howe said "I'm now looking at next season with my player selection". Erm, sorry - so we're expecting to play with Burn, with Hall out of position, with Murphy and - worst of all - Willock starting? I just thought his words were implying a shift but it's been the same insipid rubbish we've suffered all season. But I suppose these comments are meaningless. Those in charge are sticking with him. I genuinely don't understand - how do you have a CEO and a Sporting Director subservient to your manager?! It's an odd set up. And let's be honest - it's not as if Hopkinson and Wilson were ever elite appointments in the first place, they're both very mid and we still have an exec setup that's eclipsed by most of the Premier League, unfortunately. I think Hopkinson is a top appointment tbh. His resume is no joke. I also think Wilson will be fine too. I'm most worried about Howe out of all the three. Just don't understand some of the decisions he's making with his teams. Just have to hope he figures it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
500bhp Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 The really frustrating thing is that there's a ready made replacement available now. PL proven, can cope with top stars being sold, happy to go with youth (including foreign youth) and is available now for free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 He made the team selection the knacker. There was easily a less insane option unless the fitness metrics were fucked on some of the lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 9 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: They are elite managers tbf, that’s not a dig at Howe btw, but he isn’t in their league. They also came off title winning seasons and were ruined by injuries early and still qualified for the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novocastrian Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 28 minutes ago, OpenC said: Are we top six like? A lot of us seem to think that we're top six and part of the established elite now. We've only been top six twice in a decade and I'm sure I don't need to extend the chart to the left for people to realise that it's a bit of an outlier position for us Not really fair to include Ashley seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 So we went into this game one man down in tonali, surely you would've used Ramsey or Willock in the pivot role all week in training. And basically just switched the one man out from the starting lineup. Not Barnes Trippier dropped and hall playing everywhere but leftback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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