Eddie Howe

[Gallowgate Toon]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Absolutely and it’s another instance whereby we have recruited ourselves into a corner to go all in on Howes vision. 
 

we have a squad full of players who are box to box, no holders and no creatives. 

I don't think box-to-box in itself is a problem if the team shape is good but Bruno/Miley/Longstaff is fairly powerduff from an athleticism perspective. Slow defence compounded the problem.

[dcmk]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Absolutely and it’s another instance whereby we have recruited ourselves into a corner to go all in on Howes vision. 
 

we have a squad full of players who are box to box, no holders and no creatives. 

Are Isak, Trippier, Bruno, Livramento, Gordon and Barnes not creative?

 

Holding midfielders I will agree with.  Albeit a good one costs £100 million at this point in time.  Hope we do get someone in, not sure if Tonali was supposed to be the answer, wouldn't have thought so.

[Kanji]

Deserves the rest of this season provided we stay within the top 10 and don’t flirt with the bottom. I’m not sure how this situation solves itself without some proper money spent at winger, center mid and center back. 
 

I worry about the next handful of fixtures and the potential of his job safety. If we lose away to Sunderland I think MANY in the city and the stadium will turn on him.  

[The College Dropout]

19 minutes ago, brummie said:

I think if a manager - anywhere, not just yours - performs as stellar-ly as Howe did last season (and the season before, wasn't it?) then has a duff season, albeit one with mitigating circumstances like injury problems, he's bought enough time, he's owed a duff season.

 

I know football isn't like that, though.

Aye. 
But we have impatient fans.  
 

For me - there’s zero point in sacking him mid season. Most sensible owners don’t do this often.  Even Abramovic was loathe for a mid season sack. It’s mostly because the best managers are rarely available mid season. 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by The College Dropout

[nemtizz]

Even before the form it was entirely possible we won’t win a game until February so I fear for him. Though the owners have shown great patience both before and after the takeover.

 

Won’t be easy but I hope he can turn it around. 

[Geogaddi]

Seem to remember a Bournemouth fan on here saying one of his flaws was being loyal to players that were clearly out of form and should be nowhere near the starting line up ,we are all seeing that first hand now with the likes of Trippier , Burn , Longstaff etc .

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by Geogaddi

[Keggy_Keagal]

Eddie Howe has been brilliant. We're undergoing a difficult run of form and it's shown up some of his mistakes. Mainly issues regarding substitutions, player rotation and the main one for me that im seeing a lot of that never used to be a problem is game management/control of matches. 

 

Im still confident he'll address it and im also confident we'll smash thr mackems and be smiling come the end of the season . 

 

Howay The Lads !!!

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, bealios said:

Meh. Relegation fighting club makes Europe next season. Struggles year after. This has been happening for years. Only difference in the past is that rather than relegation threatened it was relegation certainties in our case, and rather than “Europe” it was Champions League.

Also; when we say struggling, we go into 2024 top 7 - 10. Over reaction again. 

I agree to an extent - though most of those clubs won’t have spent c.£400m on transfers in 18 months. 

[Joe1984]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

I agree to an extent - though most of those clubs won’t have spent c.£400m on transfers in 18 months. 

Most of that 400 million has been or still is injured tbf.

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Aye. 
But we have impatient fans.  
 

For me - there’s zero point in sacking him mid season. Most sensible owners don’t do this often.  Even Abramovic was loathe for a mid season sack. 

You keep on slagging off our support as being ‘impatient’ - sorry, what’s the barometer to this?  

[Lush Vlad]

19 minutes ago, brummie said:

I think if a manager - anywhere, not just yours - performs as stellar-ly as Howe did last season (and the season before, wasn't it?) then has a duff season, albeit one with mitigating circumstances like injury problems, he's bought enough time, he's owed a duff season.

 

I know football isn't like that, though.

Well said. 
 

I would hope and expect to see at least some shoots of encouragement after Jan, mind. As it has been getting worse and not better. If the performances start resembling Howe’s Newcastle again in some way. Then he 100% deserves another summer window and to see how we go next season. Pretty much regardless of where we finish. 
 

Been a victim of his own success in over-achieving. Then unfortunately having to compete on 2-3 fronts with half a squad. 

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

I don't think box-to-box in itself is a problem if the team shape is good but Bruno/Miley/Longstaff is fairly powerduff from an athleticism perspective. Slow defence compounded the problem.

The issue is, we have zero tactical flexibility because we lack and specialists to perform certain roles. Even if you swap out what we had today and put in both joes it’s the same issue right? Massive space in front of our defence and a lack of creativity. When it works it’s obviously great but when it comes unstuck it looks amateurish. 

[Holmesy]

4 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

He's not perfect, but too many limitations to ever win anything big? He's 46, he's exactly what we need tbh, a young, progressive coach who will get better with us. What limitations he has I'm confident he'll be working on.

 

Serious question - what signs have you seen that he’s working on his limitations? 
 

We’ve been wide open in midfield for weeks, and we’re still wide open now. We've been prone to counter attacks all season and we still are.  We’ve had no plan B all season and we still have no plan B.

I wish I had the faith and confidence you do, but what I’m seeing doesn’t give me any. 

[Wolfcastle]

12 minutes ago, brummie said:

I think if a manager - anywhere, not just yours - performs as stellar-ly as Howe did last season (and the season before, wasn't it?) then has a duff season, albeit one with mitigating circumstances like injury problems, he's bought enough time, he's owed a duff season.

 

I know football isn't like that, though.

Its an annoyance of mine but not universally right or wrong. A manager losing his job for being under par of the high standards he over-achieved to establish in the first place.

Every manager has had seasons where they've gone backwards. Its only terminal if its someone that's never shown they can do anything prior.

Happened to KK and Sir Bobby. 2000/01 under Sir Bobby was horrific, arguably worse and even more boring than Dalglish's first full season.

[Rod]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I agree to an extent - though most of those clubs won’t have spent c.£400m on transfers in 18 months. 

Not sure exactly how much they have spent but Forest have signed a load of players.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Joe1984 said:

Most of that 400 million has been or still is injured tbf.

I agree, but was just caveating that this isn’t one of those sudden surges by a club which returns to the mean after a season.  Serious money has been spent 

[Miggys First Goal]

Was it Eddie who was Yassir’s first choice? That might give him some breathing room. 

[buzz]

Just now, Miggys First Goal said:

Was it Eddie who was Yassir’s first choice? That might give him some breathing room. 

 

They claimed that but I find it hard to believe personally 

[dcmk]

Just been on, class again, recognises the issues today in transitions. 

 

Not trained properly for a month due to the circumstances.

 

Wish some fans would stop sniping at him, he's not perfect, no one is.  Let him work it out.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by dcmk

[Ketsbaia]

Considering there'll be zero points throughout January, I do worry about Howe.

 

Although 'worry' might be wrong, as his predictable tactics + questionable in-game decisions are a big part of this complete freefall. Suddenly the season is destined for 8th-10th, all those good times quickly forgotten.

 

I don't know how we get out of this.

[hakka]

24 minutes ago, brummie said:

I think if a manager - anywhere, not just yours - performs as stellar-ly as Howe did last season (and the season before, wasn't it?) then has a duff season, albeit one with mitigating circumstances like injury problems, he's bought enough time, he's owed a duff season.

 

I know football isn't like that, though.

 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Wolfcastle said:

Its an annoyance of mine but not universally right or wrong. A manager losing his job for being under par of the high standards he over-achieved to establish in the first place.

Every manager has had seasons where they've gone backwards. Its only terminal if its someone that's never shown they can do anything prior.

Happened to KK and Sir Bobby. 2000/01 under Sir Bobby was horrific, arguably worse and even more boring than Dalglish's first full season.

Christ yes.  A pretty poor transfer window in 2000 - and we spent a fair chunk of change - before a season that could only be described as inert. 

[LiquidAK]

Just now, Holmesy said:

Serious question - what signs have you seen that he’s working on his limitations? 
 

We’ve been wide open in midfield for weeks, and we’re still wide open now. We've been prone to counter attacks all season and we still are.  We’ve had no plan B all season and we still have no plan B.

I wish I had the faith and confidence you do, but what I’m seeing doesn’t give me any. 

Big picture, his Bournemouth side were notorious for being terrible in defence - he spent his time after that job travelling around and visiting other clubs to see how they run things - then had the best defence in the league with us in his first full year.

 

It's not linear, we've been shocking in defence today, but he's shown he'll adapt longer term.

[Pilko]

That was a real bad one today. An absolute lack of control in the match, like a basketball game at times, and a midfield akin to a saloon door as Forest ran through time after time. The defence waving forlornly for offside like a Sunday morning side as Wood wandered through for their third was pitifully poor. 

 

Positives were we looked much better going forward and were it not for Almiron's absolutely chronic end product and decision making we could have outscored them today. Miley looked bright again also and Isak looked much more like himself.

 

I'm seriously worried about the derby. We don't have the winning knack at the minute and nowt seems to be dropping for us. 

 

I've no doubt Eddie will get us back to winning ways but fucking hell that was a tough watch today.

[KingArthur]

11 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Absolutely and it’s another instance whereby we have recruited ourselves into a corner to go all in on Howes vision. 
 

we have a squad full of players who are box to box, no holders and no creatives. 

Agree. Even Tonali is more of a Howe-player than what we perhaps need. Of course first thing to do is to get everyone fit, but Bruno-Miley-Longstaff is so slow trio there that they can't all go charging to opposition box ffs.