madras Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, Jagten said: It's not been a disaster, but this level of move in expected goals against is basically unprecedented. (Since the start of December, we have also conceded the most goals in the league.) Something has broken, and these sorts of results will probably continue for a while. Lies, damned lies and statistics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jagten said: It's not been a disaster, but this level of move in expected goals against is basically unprecedented. (Since the start of December, we have also conceded the most goals in the league.) Something has broken, and these sorts of results will probably continue for a while. We’ve also scored quite a lot lately, so it’s not completely broken. Edited February 17 by Vinny Green Balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 5 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: We’ve also scored quite a lot lately, so it’s not completely broken. Sure. I’ve watched Pardew and Bruce’s interpretations of how not to concede and I liked that much less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) We have the worst defence in the league by nearly any metric since the Joelinton injury. Again, if he doesn’t find an answer he will be under serious pressure. Edited February 17 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 19 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: Calling this season a disaster is quite over the top, Sean. Disaster is not to be taken literally, it's more used for effect, I don't mean it has been a truly disastrous season by any means. But we have kinda gone from one disaster, or issue if you prefer, to the next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: We have the worst defence in the league by nearly any metric since the Joelinton injury Are you pinning that on the Joelinton injury? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 10 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: We’ve also scored quite a lot lately, so it’s not completely broken. We will score the 2nd highest amount of goals we've scored in a premier league season since robson was here. Behind last season BRING BACK RAFA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, madras said: Are you pinning that on the Joelinton injury? No im saying it as a matter of fact. But I don’t think the system works without at least one top athlete in midfield. Howe needs to change the system. I don’t think adaptability is a strength of Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: No im saying it as a matter of fact. But I don’t think the system works without at least one top athlete in midfield. Howe needs to change the system. I don’t think adaptability is a strength of Howe. As a matter of opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bally21 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) If and its a big IF Eddie gets chopped ..... what's your angle on who is next.. come on then???? Edited February 17 by Bally21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, madras said: As a matter of opinion. No. We’ve conceded the most goals in the league since Joelintons injury. That’s a fact. By every Xg against model I’ve seen we’re the worst in the league since that injury. We’ve conceded 2 or more goals in 6 out of the last 7. It’s awful. I watch some FPL content. A lot of people have Areola and Dubravka. Over the last 6 games Newcastle and West Ham have been the worst defences in the league (prior to this GW). Edited February 17 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, The College Dropout said: No. We’ve conceded the most goals in the league since Joelintons injury. That’s a fact. By every Xg against model I’ve seen we’re the worst in the league since that injury. We’ve conceded 2 or more goals in 6 out of the last 7. It’s awful. But are you trying to say it's purely because if Joelintons injury as its coming over that way ? Its part of it but not nearly the entire story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Just now, madras said: But are you trying to say it's purely because if Joelintons injury as its coming over that way ? Its part of it but not nearly the entire story. No. I mean since that tie we’ve become the worst defence in the league. That is a fact. I agree with you it’s a part of the story but Howe’s job is to manage and coach. He needs to tighten us up or I think it could cost him his job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 In the interests of trying something different, when Isak is fit, I wonder if we could slot Gordon into that left hand number eight role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) He could tighten us up, but then we stop scoring. While the goals are leaking, the goals scored has been 2 or more since New Year. With the forward players missing I'm not sure results would be any better by him sacrificing his style of play to play deeper, etc. because I'm not sure we'd have the drive to play the other way. I think a change in one or two positions personnel wise might help in the short term though. Edited February 17 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 As long as we don't completely nosedive, Howe will be safe until next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: As long as we don't completely nosedive, Howe will be safe until next season. Tough run of games coming up, feels like another important period. Progress in the cup is vital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) By all accounts Spurs were justifiably beaten at home by Wolves without anything like the injury problems we have, its all relative, doesn't mean Ange is a knacker Edited February 17 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Love him, but he needs to 'reflect' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 7 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: He could tighten us up, but then we stop scoring. While the goals are leaking, the goals scored has been 2 or more since New Year. With the forward players missing I'm not sure results would be any better by him sacrificing his style of play to play deeper, etc. because I'm not sure we'd have the drive to play the other way. I think a change in one or two positions personnel wise might help in the short term though. We’re over performing our attacking Xg over the last 6. Suggesting we’ve had quality finishers. Suggesting we are scoring due to the quality of finish rather than the quality of chances/ attacking play. Certainly against Forest we were clinical and they wasted chances. Nothing in the Xg data against opponents suggests if we carry on as we are results will improve. We’ve already got more than we probably deserve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, The Prophet said: As long as we don't completely nosedive, Howe will be safe until next season. I think he will be safe regardless this season but pressure will be on next season and will see what odds he is for first manager to be sacked. Injuries have obviously been the issue this season but the expectation will be there to push on next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Let's be honest, he's had a shit hand this year, but he's fluffed the cards he was dealt with, and made things harder for himself (I said back in March this would happen) It really depends whether PIF want their jewel in the crown for X deadline. If they aren't arsed then Mandy & co will report back the circumstances and protect him. If its a case of tough shit we have a target and you've not met it, then this is his last season at this table. I honestly hope he gets another crack at it, but each time playing Dan Burn every game at LB regardless of form, fitness and ability, removes part of my patience for him. He needs to decide whether its sentiment or sacrifice going forward, i was told he had no room for the former, well that's bollocks for a start, it even grabbed him a point today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, Heron said: Love him, but he needs to 'reflect' I think this is exactly it. Get to the summer, and get to the drawing board (not as in ‘rip it up and throw it out’, but as in review and reflect). I think Howe should be fully supported this season - if everything is the same this time next year, then my opinion would be that thoughts probably should harden. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) Funnily enough, if we’d won today our win ratio would pretty much be the same as last season. One of the big differences is that last season we were a nightmare to beat; so we drew shitloads of games. This season draws are a rarity, rather than defeats. The loss of Pope is having a massive bearing on that; Pope was conceding at a rate of one per game; Dubravka concedes at about 2.5 times that rate. It isn’t Dubravka’s fault that he isn’t as good as Pope, nor is it Howe’s fault that Pope is injured, but with Pope missing you can see the collective lack of confidence in the back line, which drops deeper increasing the to gap to the midfield, which in turn is currently the weakest outfield element and is consistently failing to have at least one player drop back to support and close that gap. It’s a perfect storm of shit situations; the question is whether or not Howe could do much to remedy that, or whether we just have to hope that Pope is fit in March Edited February 17 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: We have the worst defence in the league by nearly any metric since the Joelinton injury. Again, if he doesn’t find an answer he will be under serious pressure. We are also the worst in the league by conceded and xGA since Pope went out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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