The College Dropout Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 11 hours ago, Mattoon said: Acrual reasons why any europe > no europe: 1. Better pulling power on transfers 2. Improve coefficient for better seeding 3. Greater income from prize money, sponsorships, etc... As fans, it's not exactly exciting or glamorous playing the 4th placed team in the Azerbaijan first division, but who turns their nose up at the chance of any European silverware, beggars, choosers and all that. Edit: I wouldn't swap Howe for any manager in any league It’s just point 3 that has value imo. Point 1 isn’t really true. Players leave CL sides in Europe to join mid table prem teams all the time. Point 2 doesn’t help us - it just helps the opposition actually. Everyone plays clubs from all seeds. Us being a higher seed just helps the clubs we are facing. As currently we are one of the most difficult lowest seed clubs in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Done very well the last few games with his starting lineups and setups with the players i have to give him a huge pat on the back. Osula should've been put on for gordon in the last ten minutes of the Chelsea match is my only gripe. Fresh legs and stamina to press them late on in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 14 hours ago, The College Dropout said: It’s just point 3 that has value imo. Point 1 isn’t really true. Players leave CL sides in Europe to join mid table prem teams all the time. Point 2 doesn’t help us - it just helps the opposition actually. Everyone plays clubs from all seeds. Us being a higher seed just helps the clubs we are facing. As currently we are one of the most difficult lowest seed clubs in Europe. It does if we get back in the CL because there is a portion of money that's given that comes under the value pillar, the amount you get is determined by your coefficient, so boosting our coefficient has a financial benefit to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 9 hours ago, Geordie Ahmed said: It does if we get back in the CL because there is a portion of money that's given that comes under the value pillar, the amount you get is determined by your coefficient, so boosting our coefficient has a financial benefit to it I said that in my first line. The benefit is purely financial not sporting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 As far as I'm concerned, the Champions League is the only European competition worth entering. The other two have all the hassle of extra fixtures and few of the rewards. In terms of recruitment, are good players really motivated to join a new club by the dream of playing in the Europa League or Conference? I doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki679 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Howay, the Europa would be mint. Decentish level, some interesting teams, not insulting prize money, CL spot for winning it and a fair chance of a European trophy. I'd love to be in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 15 minutes ago, Cronky said: As far as I'm concerned, the Champions League is the only European competition worth entering. The other two have all the hassle of extra fixtures and few of the rewards. In terms of recruitment, are good players really motivated to join a new club by the dream of playing in the Europa League or Conference? I doubt it. Chance to win a trophy. I pray we start signing more development players - it's great for bedding them in too. And we need to build our co-efficient to get more money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Europa League would be class because we could actually win it. Still a big trophy even if it has lost some prestige and quality in recent years. I dont want to be in the Conference League. Would be a bit of an embarrassment not to win it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 22 minutes ago, Cronky said: As far as I'm concerned, the Champions League is the only European competition worth entering. The other two have all the hassle of extra fixtures and few of the rewards. In terms of recruitment, are good players really motivated to join a new club by the dream of playing in the Europa League or Conference? I doubt it. Did you think it was worth playing in the league cup last year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 25 minutes ago, Cronky said: As far as I'm concerned, the Champions League is the only European competition worth entering. The other two have all the hassle of extra fixtures and few of the rewards. In terms of recruitment, are good players really motivated to join a new club by the dream of playing in the Europa League or Conference? I doubt it. No offence but that's a mad take. Especially for a club that is basically usually not in Europe in recent memory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnbull2000 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 39 minutes ago, Cronky said: As far as I'm concerned, the Champions League is the only European competition worth entering. The other two have all the hassle of extra fixtures and few of the rewards. In terms of recruitment, are good players really motivated to join a new club by the dream of playing in the Europa League or Conference? I doubt it. Don't agree there. For one, we don't have the budget to remain within top 5 consistently, and the occasional CL windfall is just a financial sticking plaster. Would prefer the reward of actually winning something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEntertainer Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 20 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: No offence but that's a mad take. Especially for a club that is basically usually not in Europe in recent memory. Yeah it's a shame that people are buying the narrative that the 'European Super League' is the only competition worth playing in. I'd 100% take the Conference League, it's fun to play in Europe at any level and you have to earn it even if it's a lower level than the champs so it shows achievement. I'd also love to have a go at winning it. The league cup is generally seen as the lowest tier competition of the 3 in England, doesn't mean I wasn't ecstatic to win it! Seeing additional games in a continental competition as a hassle is bonkers. It's literally what we are playing to try and achieve each season. Obviously the Champions league is preferred but I'd take any and all European football we can get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 The reward for winning the Europa league is huge anyway, bigger than the FA Cup or League Cup. I’d also argue we have a better chance of winning the Europa League than finishing top 4/5 in the premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I don't think no Europe next season is disastrous at all BUT I do think it's beneficial to keep us in there for it as an ongoing achievement, we keep improving how we handle a busier schedule, and the Conference can be a good way to bed in new young talent. Whether that outweighs the potential cons is another matter... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Might as well go down to the Champo and play the likes of Wrexham and Swansea if you want to play in the Conference League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Europa league would be class, aside from the fact we would probably be favourites to win it we would also get more experience of European football and it's a good gateway back into the champions league . Wouldn't be bothered about the conference league mind , now that we have won a trophy I don't think it's worth the hassle it would cause to our league form . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Winning trophies is good fun. I’m not overly excited for conference league but this is a golden era for us. Let’s stack the trophies. Get used to winning. I used to (as a kid) dream of us becoming a dominant force in Europe like in FM. Today I’m just taking what I can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Baseline position is that I'd be very happy for us to qualify for the Europa League. The extent of my excitement would then be determined by whether or not Aston Villa win it this season. The achievement of winning it, from our point of view, becomes evermore undermined each time a PL team wins it. Would rather not be in the Conference League. Obviously it would never happen but I'd find it really interesting if that place was occupied by the EFL winners rather than EFL Cup winners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Kimbo said: Did you think it was worth playing in the league cup last year? The League Cup is a far more difficult competition to win than the Europa League, simply because the best teams enter it. In the 11 seasons prior to us winning it, it was won 6 times by Man City, twice by Liverpool, twice by Man U and once by Chelsea. It's not a third-rate competition any more and of course entering into it is automatic anyway. As for prestige, does the Europa League really count for much? Spurs won it last season and their manager got sacked soon after. We've already seen how the physical demands of extra European games affects our league form. We haven't yet got the squad to absorb the extra strain with no cost. If we compete in Europe, I want it to be worth our while, and a team in the Champions League can attract better players than either of the other competitions can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I always love this discussion, personally, I see the value of each competition as the following: Premier League > Champions League > FA Cup > Europa League > League Cup > Conference League > Club World Cup > UEFA Super Cup > Community Shield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, 54 said: I always love this discussion, personally, I see the value of each competition as the following: Premier League > Champions League > FA Cup > Europa League > League Cup > Conference League > Club World Cup > UEFA Super Cup > Community Shield Club World Cup - in the new format is probably higher than Conference League now - just due to the calibre of teams in it. Agree with it if it was the previous format Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Ultimately it’s a pointless comparison, nobody is going to deliberately finish 10th so they don’t have to play in Europe. Eddie Howe least of all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 9 minutes ago, Cronky said: The League Cup is a far more difficult competition to win than the Europa League, simply because the best teams enter it. In the 11 seasons prior to us winning it, it was won 6 times by Man City, twice by Liverpool, twice by Man U and once by Chelsea. It's not a third-rate competition any more and of course entering into it is automatic anyway. As for prestige, does the Europa League really count for much? Spurs won it last season and their manager got sacked soon after. We've already seen how the physical demands of extra European games affects our league form. We haven't yet got the squad to absorb the extra strain with no cost. If we compete in Europe, I want it to be worth our while, and a team in the Champions League can attract better players than either of the other competitions can. I agree the Europa League is easier to win these days, and the winner gets a champions league spot. Why would we not want that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 The EL is ours to bring home! Sure, it was 57 years ago and it was a different tournament as UEFA didn't take over until two years after we won it. But still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, kingxlnc said: Club World Cup - in the new format is probably higher than Conference League now - just due to the calibre of teams in it. Agree with it if it was the previous format The new Club World Cup is invite only, and was only set up as FIFA felt left out of the Champions League revenue stream, and was every bit a capitalistic invention created for non sporting reasons, which makes it very hard for me to get in anyway behind, especially given the obscene amount of football already being played. Its lucky I put it above the Super Cup and Community Shield which are just glorified friendlies tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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