Eddie Howe

[Optimistic Nut]

3 minutes ago, Pilko said:

 

Bet you've never been wrong before either have you? 

 

Tbf there were doubters, then there were kneejerk posts like that. 

[jack j]

1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

There were posts of that ilk I went back (like that) and liked the last time that page was linked to remind people what they'd posted. 

Haha apologies

Just scrambling back through the pages meself to make sure there wasn't any rogue likes by myself...pretty sure I was in the give him time camp though ?

[Optimistic Nut]

That prick Adam P was another one. Think the day it was confirmed it was going to be Howe he slagged him and the club off for the appointment. The next day he was kissing his arse trying to get a glimpse of him. 

[HaydnNUFC]

1 minute ago, Dokko said:

 

No one at that time calling him the second coming of Christ either. There's been a massive change of opinion, at best people were neutral, now they'd let him shag their lass and hug him for it. Trying to gain some kind of high ground is canny pathetic.

 

 

 

 

Wanting him sacked midway through January and after 10 games in charge and Benitez who himself had just been sacked by Everton on the same day as that Watford result to replace him was as shite a take then as it is now imo.

[Nine]

50 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Just reading back. Supporters really are the pits. You know it'll be the same the next winless run or cup exit too. 

And yet people are doing the same thing in the Gordon thread right now, some just never learn.

 

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by Nine

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

13 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said:

Dark fucking arts!

 

It was after Cambridge and Watford (H)

[Dokko]

3 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Wanting him sacked midway through January and after 10 games in charge and Benitez who himself had just been sacked by Everton on the same day as that Watford result to replace him was as shite a take then as it is now imo.

 

Guess you always supported Joelinton & Murphy, even Almiron. Not a bad word said. ?

[STM]

On 16/01/2022 at 16:55, STM said:

Despite the original ask being incredibly difficult?

 

I'm quite the opposite. If we go down, I can't think of many managers of a better standard who would be prepared to take on the challenge.

 

This is my first post after page 560, admittedly 28 pages down the line.

 

I think I can hold my head up high with this one.

 

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by STM

[jack j]

On 15/01/2022 at 20:58, ExiledGeordie said:

My brother who has played a bit of football and I’ll defer to regards footballing knowledge had concerns about Howe coming in. He was worried that the defensive side wouldn’t improve at all which desperately needed sorting. I think some of his concerns have been proved right so far. 

Whats your brothers thoughts thesedays?

[Optimistic Nut]

5 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Guess you always supported Joelinton & Murphy, even Almiron. Not a bad word said. ?

 

If it hadn't been for Howe, those opinions would have been 100% valid still.

[Pilko]

2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Tbf there were doubters, then there were kneejerk posts like that. 

 

Not so sure it was, he'd been in for months, we'd still only won once, didn't look miles better for it and he was still picking knackers like Clark. One shot on target at home versus a crap Watford team and a limp late equaliser.

 

Obviously, benefit of hindsight, the massive corner turn was only a few weeks away, but it looked bleak at the time.

[Gaztoon]

Funny how ffp doesn't stop made up rumours ??

[HaydnNUFC]

8 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Guess you always supported Joelinton & Murphy, even Almiron. Not a bad word said.

 

Not even close to being similar scenarios. Joelinton's improvement was unprecedented, though he had shown glimpses at Hoffenheim under a competent coach. Murphy's role this season has bafflingly good, again unprecedented. Despite his scoring run this season I still don't rate Almiron that much tbh. Mainly because of Howe these improvements had been made. But those players had been at the club from summer 2019, 2017 and January 2019 respectively, plenty of time to have made judgements on them.

 

Howe then only had 10 games and it was mid way through January. Improvements could be seen and it was clear that we needed signings to implement what he was trying to do. Low and behold, that's exactly what happened. Getting rid for Benitez then would've been mental.

 

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by HaydnNUFC

[STM]

I believe fitness is the answer we were all looking for.

 

Under Steve Bruce our squad was chronically unfit, it took Howe two months to rectify that.

 

Add in a few basic tactics, a couple of brilliant signings and we were good to go.

 

A few on those mentioned the "eye test" being good. I.e, it looked as though they had improved, even if results hadn't. Well done those people.

[Optimistic Nut]

4 minutes ago, Pilko said:

 

Not so sure it was, he'd been in for months, we'd still only won once, didn't look miles better for it and he was still picking knackers like Clark. One shot on target at home versus a crap Watford team and a limp late equaliser.

 

Obviously, benefit of hindsight, the massive corner turn was only a few weeks away, but it looked bleak at the time.

 

Clark played the 3-3 v Brentford (Howe's first game), was benched for Arsenal, then back in for Norwich. He only started 1 other game after that. There'll always be a crossover period where it takes a while to see who's good and shit. Almost identical situation to Rafa taking 1-2 games too long to drop Taylor for Lascelles. 

[Kanji]

Fitness, tactics, belief, coaching and a club finally not in constant turmoil battling the owner, battling relegation, or battling itself. ALL of that created better environment for our players. It was then finally up to the players themselves to sort their heads out and perform on the pitch. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

There are some on here who have a history of going off the deep end about everything. Pilko is not one I would put into that category at all. He was measured and talking a lot of sense when some of the weirdos on here were talking abouit how Benitez was done and was going to relegate us back in 2017-18. There are others on here who would doom merchant over potential sponsors. It's like their version of a German fetish with just a little less shit to clean off the chest.

[Wilson]

I wasn't sold on him, I remember being underwhelmed at the time as I was pretty annoyed we didn't end up with Emery.

 

Hey ho.

 

Don't want anyone else now.

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Not even close to being similar scenarios. Joelinton's improvement was unprecedented, though he had shown glimpses at Hoffenheim under a competent coach. Murphy's role this season has bafflingly good, again unprecedented. Despite his scoring run this season I still don't rate Almiron that much tbh. But those players had been at the club from 2020, 2017 and 2019 respectively, plenty of time to have made judgements on them.

 

Howe then only had 10 games and it was mid way through January. Improvements could be seen and it was clear that we needed signings to implement what he was trying to do. Low and behold, that's exactly what happened. Getting rid for Benitez then would've been mental.

 

Everything is written off as unprecedented. 

 

Let's spin back to that time. 1 win in 10, lost to Cambridge at home, think the 15th was the Watford draw, which was a sickening blow. I'm not debating whether these were reactionary posts, course they were, but they were mainly valid. Just as all the clamour for him now is reactionary, just its now positive, and most of the time, way over the top. But who cares, that's football, that's emotion. It wasn't working and due to Bruce & Ashley we had very little time to get it right. It was stay up at all costs. All Costs. What was unprecedented was the turn around, you'd probably pinpoint it with Shelvey at Leeds. Had that not happened he could have went another 5 games without a win, and we could have been doing a rebuild job from the Championship. 

 

If you saw progress in those first 10 games and predicted we'd by 3rd in the lague with 5 games to go, then you're either mint as fuck, or a liar. I couldn't care either way, but you can only judge on what you see, and what we saw then was a million miles away from what we see now, just like many of the players everyone griefed over the years, hence why its a valid comparison, especially since its down to Howe (in most part) that they've turned it around. 

[STM]

It's my natural reaction to ignore a thread if I'm finding it's contents unpleasant, that's why I'm never in the Saudi human right thread. 

 

The fact that I couldn't find a post by me in 28 pages tells it's own story.

[Conjo]

Swear there must have been people in the old relegation-o-meter thread still rating our chances of survival at a 5 when we were mathematically safe.

 

 

Edited May 4, 2023 by Conjo

[Conjo]

3 minutes ago, STM said:

It's my natural reaction to ignore a thread if I'm finding it's contents unpleasant, that's why I'm never in the Saudi human right thread. 

 

The fact that I couldn't find a post by me in 28 pages tells it's own story.

 

The universe thread in GC for me. Scares the shit out of me

[Kanji]

I was upset we didn't get Emery and slghtly underwhelmed that Howe was the #2, but then very excited about him really building something special here. By early Jan 2022 I was getting nervous but hopeful signings would save us; mid Jan I was convinced he would be sacked because he just could not turn the shit-show around and I blamed all of our awful players mostly. Then Leeds happened and I was hyped because the entire mentality shifted and the momentum changed. Happy I was wrong, but never stopped rooting for him - I just felt our horrendous previous manager and lack of investment had us in a freefall that nobody could stop. 

[HaydnNUFC]

9 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Everything is written off as unprecedented. 

 

Let's spin back to that time. 1 win in 10, lost to Cambridge at home, think the 15th was the Watford draw, which was a sickening blow. I'm not debating whether these were reactionary posts, course they were, but they were mainly valid. Just as all the clamour for him now is reactionary, just its now positive, and most of the time, way over the top. But who cares, that's football, that's emotion. It wasn't working and due to Bruce & Ashley we had very little time to get it right. It was stay up at all costs. All Costs. What was unprecedented was the turn around, you'd probably pinpoint it with Shelvey at Leeds. Had that not happened he could have went another 5 games without a win, and we could have been doing a rebuild job from the Championship. 

 

If you saw progress in those first 10 games and predicted we'd by 3rd in the lague with 5 games to go, then you're either mint as fuck, or a liar. I couldn't care either way, but you can only judge on what you see, and what we saw then was a million miles away from what we see now, just like many of the players everyone griefed over the years, hence why its a valid comparison, especially since its down to Howe (in most part) that they've turned it around. 

 

The bold here, I always maintained at the time (I've spoilered posts of mine from back then to prove it) that we'd improved tactically and physcially but were still lacking quality due to years of Ashley neglect. Especially in defence. A few refereeing decisions were also screwing us over. I also posted before that Leeds game that I'd have taken a point from it, we'd have been 3 points from safety with a game in hand and a better goal difference than 17th with Everton (h) coming up after the transfer window had shut and the players have near 2 weeks of warm weather training. 

 

Spoiler

On 15/01/2022 at 20:19, HaydnNUFC said:

Shit result and shit performance tbh from both the playing and managing staff. First half we were better despite not creating anything clear cut. Second half we got the goal...then decided to sit off. With our defensive record. That's on Howe imo, I am still behind him and still like him but that's on him for me. That second half was pathetic. 

 

We have a gargantuan task on our hands. I'm not going to go 'ohhh we're 100% certain to go down' but it's looking a tall order without at least 3 or 4 new signings coming in.

 

On 16/01/2022 at 03:33, HaydnNUFC said:

Neglect since January 2017 is rearing its ugly head. Relegation has been on the cards for ages and runs like the one we're on haven't been rare; 4 wins in 24 in 2017-18, 4 wins in 22 and no wins in the first 10 whilst losing all the home games in that 10 in 2018-19, 4 clean sheets at SJP since June 2020. I was saying pre takeover that any other manager than Bruce would have us away from a relegation battle as we don't have that bad of a squad; more than happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong. This squad is terrible. No balance, severe lack of quality and defensively inept. 

 

Should Howe be doing better? Probably. 4 of his 10 games have been against Man U, Man City, Liverpool and Arsenal to give him some slack and individual errors have been costing us; Darlow v Brentford, Clark v Norwich, the concession of that bollocks penalty at Leicester, Shelvey v Liverpool Dubravka v Cambridge, could go on. Now you could counter this by saying that Howe continues to pick those who make the errors but do we have anyone else? The midfield options are shit, the CB options are shit. 

 

What's alarming me mind is we seem to have gone backwards offensively whilst still being dross defensively. Against Brentford we were superb going forward, likewise against Burnley in the 2nd half and against Man Utd. To muster 1 shot on target at home to a Watford side who are yet to keep a clean sheet this season however is tbh, a joke. Probably needs to rethink this 4-3-3 until we can sign a midfielder and at least 1 CB. 

 

Lastly I knew that the shadow of Benitez would loom large on here. People need to move on, the ship has sailed and he has failed at his 2 jobs since leaving us, churning out those garbage results with an Everton side far better than ours. In addition to that he's ostracised Rodriguez and Digne whilst continuing to play a vastly underperforming Rondon. I'm going to reserve judgement on Howe until the end of February to see where we are in the league, how the squad looks and if we've improved. Even still, he's probably well suited to bringing us back up if we were to go down.

 

On 16/01/2022 at 06:01, HaydnNUFC said:

 

He should be, and he has gotten more out of them in his time here than Bruce was able to get this season. Not saying much like, given that Bruce was practically winging it.

I've said a few times now that he's improved us tactically and its individual errors and shit refereeing that's been costing us. The last 2 games now though against Watford and Cambridge have worried me and we seem to be going backwards. Both tactically and offensively, while the defensive issues are still there to be seen. Questions need to be asked, he isn't infallible but I really do resent the clamour for a Benitez return.

 

On 16/01/2022 at 14:50, HaydnNUFC said:

 

What's worried me is you have been able to see what he's trying to do in games aside from the latest two. We seem to have gone backwards since the break after Man Utd. Small sample size but enough to cause enough worry to make me think we're almost certainly going down unless we can make 3+ top signings.

 

On 16/01/2022 at 15:05, HaydnNUFC said:

 

^ Still the case for me now. If we don't make 3 or more top signings for the positions we need the pressure will increase. Pay the money and get it done.

 

 

No one could've foreseen this season, no less than I. I thought we'd be around 7th, 6th, given the summer window and that we'd been in top 4 form since that Leeds game. But I thought at the time and I still think now that sacking Howe post Watford and replacing him with a just sacked Benitez was a lifting idea.

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

The bold here, I always maintained at the time (I've spoilered posts of mine from back then to prove it) that we'd improved tactically and physcially but were still lacking quality due to years of Ashley neglect. Especially in defence. A few refereeing decisions were also screwing us over. I also posted before that Leeds game that I'd have taken a point from it, we'd have been 3 points from safety with a game in hand and a better goal difference than 17th with Everton (h) coming up after the transfer window had shut and the players have near 2 weeks of warm weather training. 

 

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No one could've foreseen this season, no less than I. I thought we'd be around 7th, 6th, given the summer window and that we'd been in top 4 form since that Leeds game. But I thought at the time and I still think now that sacking Howe post Watford and replacing him with a just sacked Benitez was a lifting idea.

 

TBF you're a level headed former kid, always have been and put a lot of us older folk to shame. Posting straight after a match, sometimes full of drink, is never the best idea. Not even saying that's the case, even for myself, but emotions were coming out one way or another.

 

I remember a lot of criticism aimed at us fans for 'allowing' the Saudi takeover, then ridicule for Emery turning us down and then Howe being our 2nd choice. Even our signings laughed at. So all that shit for 1 win in 10, it was harder than just being shit and accepting relegation with Bruce & Ashley, in fact welcoming it down to the hatred we had for our own club. Christ. Dark fucking times. Anyway, you kept your head more than most. Fair play, though pulling up posts (not aimed at you) from that time and beating people over the head with it is a twats trick, especially as he's had nothing but full support from everyone since only a few games after that.