MarkyMark Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 14 hours ago, JonBez comesock said: If we don’t - go all out would that suggest this takeover isn’t (big money) and the plan is to invest but very low key / sensible ? letting the club sink into the championship means that they are sticking to a low key budget plan - eg 50 million per season and not going all out to stay in the premier league you would think - staying up and investing quite heavily would be key to the plan and a sign of intent to follow either way it’s going to be very interesting, I am “all for” any slither of hope ive always said I will back anyone that gives it a go , and shows intent to improve regardless of how much they spend under Ashley it was the opposite , it was all about him/ all about how much he could gain / all About promoting his brand / the football club was irrelevant If they’re going to do what any other buyer could do, is it worth having the name of the club dragged through the mud by association with one of the most vicious regimes on the planet? I’d argue it wasn’t anyway - though there’s sod all I can do about. Nothing would sum us up better than not even getting sportswashing right. I think they will be conservative BTW. The talk of chucking hundreds of millions at the club is unlikely - though we shall see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 People seem to be forgetting that on Takeover day Staveley said they want to win the league in 5-10 years. That isn’t going to happen without spending big Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, NWMag said: People seem to be forgetting that on Takeover day Staveley said they want to win the league in 5-10 years. That isn’t going to happen without spending big Ashley said the same thing when he bought the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 56 minutes ago, Dokko said: Spuds & Manure want Trippier. Nice while it lasted. Do not underestimate the power of the dark side £££££ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) I’m still in the Ashley ownership mindset where Trippier goes back to Spurs and we loan an out of form, disinterested Matt Doherty from them. I reckon we could get Trippier, still. Edited December 23, 2021 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hanshithispantz Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 That's obviously bullshit like, I cannot see us having any issues paying him 120 a week It's probably on the lower end of what you would expect us to be offering a player like Trippier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: That's obviously bullshit like, I cannot see us having any issues paying him 120 a week It's probably on the lower end of what you would expect us to be offering a player like Trippier. Probably bullshit as it came from Football Insider mainly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Wage probably not an issue but if he’s wanting say a 4-5 year deal and we’re thinking more 2-3 due to his age, maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Wasn't it Football Inside who said that the Howe deal was close to collapse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Interesting bit from the Athletic. I’m mainly paraphrasing but it’s a Q&A session with Chris Waugh and he says that players entering the final six or 18 months of their contracts are primary in the club’s thinking, precisely because they may prove cheaper than their usual market value. That is why James Tarkowski, Ben Mee and Boubacar Kamara are among the players to have featured during discussions. Doesn’t smack of chucking millions around does it. I’m so intrigued to see how much money PIF are actually giving us. Yes they are stupidly rich but it doesn’t mean we are definitely going to get much of it. They might just run us as a business. I for one would prefer it if they went full sportswash and started spending big. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) They haven't stuck around for two years of negotiating / splashing millions on lawyers to ensure that we become a comfortable mid-table PL side. Edited December 23, 2021 by Dr.Spaceman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 If they have then they're even more fucked up than Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 I think a 4 1/2 year deal would be fair enough tbh, he'll have at least another 2 1/2 years at the top you'd imagine and then another couple years as an experienced squad member. He looks in good nick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: They haven't stuck around for two years of negotiating / splashing millions on lawyers to ensure that we become a comfortable mid-table PL side. I really hope you’re right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Just now, LV said: I really hope you’re right. Obviously guessing, but it would be very strange of them. Personally I think they're wanting to compete with the Qataris and the Abu Dhabi group. There's no real point in purchasing us otherwise, we're absolutely nothing to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, LV said: Interesting bit from the Athletic. I’m mainly paraphrasing but it’s a Q&A session with Chris Waugh and he says that players entering the final six or 18 months of their contracts are primary in the club’s thinking, precisely because they may prove cheaper than their usual market value. That is why James Tarkowski, Ben Mee and Boubacar Kamara are among the players to have featured during discussions. Doesn’t smack of chucking millions around does it. I’m so intrigued to see how much money PIF are actually giving us. Yes they are stupidly rich but it doesn’t mean we are definitely going to get much of it. They might just run us as a business. I for one would prefer it if they went full sportswash and started spending big. They're restricted by FFP (Financial Fair Play). People were suggesting we would have about 190 mil to spend but the more we spend of that the less we can spend in future windows. Basically we sort of have to balance buying players we need to take us to the next level and players we really just need to keep us up until the summer. Loans and players coming to the end of their contract fit in the latter bracket. Edited December 23, 2021 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Obviously guessing, but it would be very strange of them. Personally I think they're wanting to compete with the Qataris and the Abu Dhabi group. There's no real point in purchasing us otherwise, we're absolutely nothing to them. yeah I’m guessing too because we haven’t got much to go on but just thought that Athletic piece did not smack of splashing millions around if they are targeting out of contract players for the fact they are cheaper. I was hoping I’d be hearing things about wanting to buy quality and that price didn’t matter too much. But yeah, we don’t know the truth yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookidge Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 I think they're trying to be pragmatic in that there's the real possibility we're going down, if we can bring in decent players that may keep us up or at least perform well enough to get us back up at the first time of asking then FFP won't have taken as much of a hit. Then we can spend more once we know what division we're in next year, with a more stable position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Trippier is on c.£80k per week. So £120k+ is a massive leap - but given our position, players of note are going to ask for more. The transfer window is going to be very interesting - Staveley’s interview last year chimed with this being done ‘on a budget’, so to speak - though obviously not the ‘budget’ we’ve been used to. Waugh’s piece suggests likewise. The bit that worries me is if deals aren’t sorted for players very, very soon. We don’t have January for them to ‘learn’ how to do transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 1 minute ago, cookidge said: I think they're trying to be pragmatic in that there's the real possibility we're going down, if we can bring in decent players that may keep us up or at least perform well enough to get us back up at the first time of asking then FFP won't have taken as much of a hit. Then we can spend more once we know what division we're in next year, with a more stable position. FFP is based on the previous three years - so relegation absolutely knackers it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, LV said: yeah I’m guessing too because we haven’t got much to go on but just thought that Athletic piece did not smack of splashing millions around if they are targeting out of contract players for the fact they are cheaper. I was hoping I’d be hearing things about wanting to buy quality and that price didn’t matter too much. But yeah, we don’t know the truth yet. Unfortunately due to our position, these are the players we have to target, as no top class player is going to come whilst we are a strong bet to be relegated. It has nothing to do with money. The fact that we have Howe as manager represents this also, as again no top quality manager would be interested in our current position. Only one person to blame for the current predicament and that’s Ashley. Edited December 23, 2021 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 There isn't really much excuse for not having reinforcements through the door for Watford. Its an absolutely massive game too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 I see the bed shitting has started already. Happy Xmas all and remember - if they aint getting you clicking, then they aint making money! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Unfortunately due to our position these are the players we have to target as no top class player is going to come whilst we are a strong bet to be relegated. It has nothing to do with money. The fact we have Howe as manager represents this also. as again no top quality manager would be interested in our current position. Only one person to blame for the current predicament and that’s Ashley. Yeah I understand that our position means we are going to find it difficult to attract people here. The Athletic piece does directly mention money though and how we are looking for out of contract players ‘precisely because they may prove cheaper than their usual market value’ I suppose I’m a little surprised that words like ‘cheaper’ ‘value’ and such are being used when I was hoping that PIF would be giving us loads to spend. The truth is though that none of us will know their true intentions until after the summer window really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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