Transfer rumours

[Guest ElCid]

I don't know... it's very easy for the press / Ashley's cronies, to turn around and say "look how well we did creating a premier league 10th finish team with next to no spend". There's a risk people will find it impressive.

 

Couldn’t give a fuck by outside people views it’s about our support and if any supporter is happy to accept what’s going on then honestly what is the point

[Guest ElCid]

I don't know... it's very easy for the press / Ashley's cronies, to turn around and say "look how well we did creating a premier league 10th finish team with next to no spend". There's a risk people will find it impressive.

 

It's a double-edged sword. What Rafa has done with limited funds IS impressive, but the argument is that we could push on further if the owner had any ambition to do so.

 

Exactly right when you look at the business other clubs have completed and some of those with respect are far smaller than this one it is an actual piss take. How any genuine supporter can say otherwise- well they are not a genuine supporter if they think everything is ok

[thenige]

Puncheon? Did we get relegated last season or what?

 

Or is that just the aim for this season?

[Guest firetotheworks]

 

Can I just say that Ryder is a major part of the problem at Newcastle just now, Alan Oliver used to camp out at St James for the sniff of a story and he always had the best interests of the fans and city at heart, he had contacts throught the club from groundsmen, stewards and tea lady's, Ryder just wakes up and flicks through Newsnow.

 

I think your opinion on Oliver is wide of the mark and you're giving him far, far too much credit there, he was massively up Shepherd's arse for a start. Agree on Ryder though, as a journalist he's essentially worthless.

 

[Guest NobbyOhNobby]

Jason Puncheon?! Surely that's a lol rumour

[Shadow Puppets]

I don't know... it's very easy for the press / Ashley's cronies, to turn around and say "look how well we did creating a premier league 10th finish team with next to no spend". There's a risk people will find it impressive.

 

It's a double-edged sword. What Rafa has done with limited funds IS impressive, but the argument is that we could push on further if the owner had any ambition to do so.

 

Exactly right when you look at the business other clubs have completed and some of those with respect are far smaller than this one it is an actual piss take. How any genuine supporter can say otherwise- well they are not a genuine supporter if they think everything is ok

 

Well yes, I completely agree with you... but the idea here is surely to convince EVERYONE, not just our support, of his bad ownership. By all means use those figures, but just be prepared to be shot down repeatedly without a stronger message.

 

"But Shelvey/Diame/Lascelles/Ritchie would have been £20m+ players in today's market"

"But look how well you did without investment... why should Ashley care"

"But you've managed to still improve your sqaud this summer, even with making a profit. Why should Ashley care about investing more"

 

These are just some of the comments you'll get back.

 

If the infographic is framed so that it's about Rafa's brilliant management, and then add in "just imagine what we could achieve if we had an owner who cared about us improving". That would be a more water tight argument IMO.

[John P]

Where's the Puncheon rumour coming from? He's fucking shit.

[Guest ElCid]

I don't know... it's very easy for the press / Ashley's cronies, to turn around and say "look how well we did creating a premier league 10th finish team with next to no spend". There's a risk people will find it impressive.

 

It's a double-edged sword. What Rafa has done with limited funds IS impressive, but the argument is that we could push on further if the owner had any ambition to do so.

 

Exactly right when you look at the business other clubs have completed and some of those with respect are far smaller than this one it is an actual piss take. How any genuine supporter can say otherwise- well they are not a genuine supporter if they think everything is ok

 

Well yes, I completely agree with you... but the idea here is surely to convince EVERYONE, not just our support, of his bad ownership. By all means use those figures, but just be prepared to be shot down repeatedly without a stronger message.

 

"But Shelvey/Diame/Lascelles/Ritchie would have been £20m+ players in today's market"

"But look how well you did without investment... why should Ashley care"

"But you've managed to still improve your sqaud this summer, even with making a profit. Why should Ashley care about investing more"

 

These are just some of the comments you'll get back.

 

If the infographic is framed so that it's about Rafa's brilliant management, and then add in "just imagine what we could achieve if we had an owner who cared about us improving". That would be a more water tight argument IMO.

 

Don’t think you will ever change the majority of the southern media view to be honest some of the northern media’s view still will not criticise either.

[geordiedean]

That entire starting XI must have cost less than £50m.

 

Our likely starting line up for the weekend? Just under £50m ignoring loan fees.

 

Our starting 11 = 1 Richarlison

 

We are so fucking tragic man it's embarrassing it's only a matter of time before we are relegated again

 

Does this fat cunt and his stupid thumb never learn from previous mistakes

[sempuki]

[ChrisMcQuillan]

We're a fucking joke.

[SiLvOR]

It's the same every window.

[FinnMag]

 

Charnley&Ashley and their powerful £10 warchest.

[Scoot]

They probably asked for 5 million. We'll have offered 1 million.

[Chris_R]

Douglas saying that no matter what happens today, we will end up with a 8 figure profit

 

"Rafa can have every penny the club generates" x 2.

 

Rafa surely has enough evidence for a constructive dismissal case, should he walk!

 

Sorry to be so blunt, but people saying this kind of thing have no clue as to how constructive dismissal cases work. I hate Ashley and what he's done to our club as much as anyone, but him refusing to spend money is not in any way grounds for a constructive dismissal case. He is well within his rights to spend nothing, if he so desires.

 

Here's some examples of what constitutes constructive dismissal, from a prominent law firm's website:

 

a unilateral significant reduction of your salary, or the threat of a reduction ;

being demoted without good reason;

allegations of poor performance which are unfounded;

disciplinary proceedings which are manifestly unreasonable;

a complete change in the nature of your job;

harassing or bullying ;

stress at work, that has not been properly addressed;

failing to make reasonable adjustments where you have a disability;

being forced to work in breach of health and safety laws.

 

Literally none of those apply, and certainly "being generally useless, changing his mind about funds and being a bit of a smug cunt" simply aint on the list. He's a shite, even horrific, employer and totally incompetent and leaching the club dry, but I can't see where a constructive dismissal claim would come from unless you want to illuminate me?

[Gallowgate Toon]

It's so boring now. Been doing it for 10 years, pretty much.

[Shearergol]

Douglas saying that no matter what happens today, we will end up with a 8 figure profit

 

"Rafa can have every penny the club generates" x 2.

 

Rafa surely has enough evidence for a constructive dismissal case, should he walk!

 

Sorry to be so blunt, but people saying this kind of thing have no clue as to how constructive dismissal cases work. I hate Ashley and what he's done to our club as much as anyone, but him refusing to spend money is not in any way grounds for a constructive dismissal case. He is well within his rights to spend nothing, if he so desires.

 

Here's some examples of what constitutes constructive dismissal, from a prominent law firm's website:

 

a unilateral significant reduction of your salary, or the threat of a reduction ;

being demoted without good reason;

allegations of poor performance which are unfounded;

disciplinary proceedings which are manifestly unreasonable;

a complete change in the nature of your job;

harassing or bullying ;

stress at work, that has not been properly addressed;

failing to make reasonable adjustments where you have a disability;

being forced to work in breach of health and safety laws.

 

Literally none of those apply, and certainly "being generally useless, changing his mind about funds and being a bit of a smug cunt" simply aint on the list. He's a shite, even horrific, employer and totally incompetent and leaching the club dry, but I can't see where a constructive dismissal claim would come from unless you want to illuminate me?

 

See Keegan, Kevin.

[TK-421]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rafa-benitez-left-seething-deadline-15008731.amp?__twitter_impression=true

 

Rafa Benitez left seething on deadline day as Newcastle United struggle to deliver

United have left it late once again in the transfer window after failed bids for players leave fans furious

 

BY LEE RYDER

12:00, 9 AUG 2018 UPDATED11:51, 9 AUG 2018

 

Rafa Benitez is understood to be deeply disappointed with Newcastle United’s poor end to the transfer window.

 

The Magpies boss could still get a couple of back-up players through the door on deadline day - but just like 12 months ago, Benitez is unhappy that his warnings throughout the last few weeks of the window have not been heeded.

 

In many ways he believes the damage could already be done.

 

Benitez was offered assurances that he could sign a centre-back and a left-back earlier this week, but he has hit a brick wall on some deals after being told the players don’t fit club criteria.

 

Whether that is because of wages, age or sell-on value is yet to come to light as United have not disclosed their transfer blueprint in public for some time.

 

Yet Benitez feels let down on a number of deals this summer after struggling to land a number of targets after financial restrictions were placed in his way.

 

This resulted in club legend Alan Shearer summing up the situation this week when he said on Five Live: “Whoever goes in seems to be having exactly the same problem and it’s quite obvious that’s not going to change under this owner.

 

“Rafa has made a profit again as we stand here of about £25million. He made a profit last year in the transfer market.

 

“What was it about £120million for finishing 10th last season? My question would be where’s that money gone.”

 

Benitez felt he had saved the club huge amounts of money after wheeling and dealing in the market and landing Ki Sung-yueng on a free transfer plus Salomón Rondón and Kenedy on loan deals.

 

Newcastle have spent around £17million this summer on Martin Dubravka, Fabian Schär and Yoshinori Muto.

 

[Guest firetotheworks]

Dubravka £4M

Dummett 0

Lascelles £4M

Clark £5M

Yedlin £5M

Kenedy £2M

Diame £5.5M

Shelvey £12M

Ritchie £12M

Perez £1M

Rondon 2M

 

Give or take a few mill more than £50M

 

Banter.

 

Someone needs to mock that up into a twitter/social media graphic.

Yeah saying something like Fulham have spent 30 million more than our entire first 11 cost.

 

Dubravka - £4m

Darlow - £4.5m

Elliot - £270k

 

Dummett - Free

Schar - £3m

Lejeune - £8.7m

Lascelles - £4.5m

Clark - £5m

Yedlin - £5m

Manquillo - £4.5m

 

Diame - £5m

Hayden - £4m

Shelvey - £12m

Ki - Free

 

Kenedy - £2m (Loan fee)

Atsu - £6.2mPerez - £1.8m

Ritchie - £12m

Murphy - £10m

 

Rondon - £2m (Loan fee)

Muto - £9.5m

Joselu - £5m

 

TOTAL - £108.97m

 

Preferred Starting XI - £57m

 

Current Starting XI - £51.3m

 

 

[Guest ElCid]

Douglas saying that no matter what happens today, we will end up with a 8 figure profit

 

"Rafa can have every penny the club generates" x 2.

 

Rafa surely has enough evidence for a constructive dismissal case, should he walk!

 

Sorry to be so blunt, but people saying this kind of thing have no clue as to how constructive dismissal cases work. I hate Ashley and what he's done to our club as much as anyone, but him refusing to spend money is not in any way grounds for a constructive dismissal case. He is well within his rights to spend nothing, if he so desires.

 

Here's some examples of what constitutes constructive dismissal, from a prominent law firm's website:

 

a unilateral significant reduction of your salary, or the threat of a reduction ;

being demoted without good reason;

allegations of poor performance which are unfounded;

disciplinary proceedings which are manifestly unreasonable;

a complete change in the nature of your job;

harassing or bullying ;

stress at work, that has not been properly addressed;

failing to make reasonable adjustments where you have a disability;

being forced to work in breach of health and safety laws.

 

Literally none of those apply, and certainly "being generally useless, changing his mind about funds and being a bit of a smug cunt" simply aint on the list. He's a shite, even horrific, employer and totally incompetent and leaching the club dry, but I can't see where a constructive dismissal claim would come from unless you want to illuminate me?

Douglas saying that no matter what happens today, we will end up with a 8 figure profit

 

"Rafa can have every penny the club generates" x 2.

 

Rafa surely has enough evidence for a constructive dismissal case, should he walk!

 

Sorry to be so blunt, but people saying this kind of thing have no clue as to how constructive dismissal cases work. I hate Ashley and what he's done to our club as much as anyone, but him refusing to spend money is not in any way grounds for a constructive dismissal case. He is well within his rights to spend nothing, if he so desires.

 

Here's some examples of what constitutes constructive dismissal, from a prominent law firm's website:

 

a unilateral significant reduction of your salary, or the threat of a reduction ;

being demoted without good reason;

allegations of poor performance which are unfounded;

disciplinary proceedings which are manifestly unreasonable;

a complete change in the nature of your job;

harassing or bullying ;

stress at work, that has not been properly addressed;

failing to make reasonable adjustments where you have a disability;

being forced to work in breach of health and safety laws.

 

Literally none of those apply, and certainly "being generally useless, changing his mind about funds and being a bit of a smug cunt" simply aint on the list. He's a shite, even horrific, employer and totally incompetent and leaching the club dry, but I can't see wherte a constructive dismissal claim would come from unless you want to illuminate me?

 

Neither did Keegan

[Disco]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rafa-benitez-left-seething-deadline-15008731

 

However, even the simplest deals have proved to be tough for Rafa.

 

Stanley N’Soki of PSG has fallen through, again because of the asking price, this time £9million.

 

Federico Fernández was a straight-forward deal too but Newcastle aren’t keen on paying £10million for the Swansea defender.

 

As deadline day loomed Benitez asked to sign two players at cut-price in Ragnar Klavan of Liverpool and an old target in Erik Pieters of Stoke City, but again hit a brick wall according to sources close to the deals in Holland and Estonia.

 

Benitez has laboured the point long enough with three diplomatic Press conferences underlining the need for more players.

[loki679]

[LRD]

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/rafa-benitez-left-seething-deadline-15008731.amp?__twitter_impression=true

 

Rafa Benitez left seething on deadline day as Newcastle United struggle to deliver

United have left it late once again in the transfer window after failed bids for players leave fans furious

 

BY LEE RYDER

12:00, 9 AUG 2018 UPDATED11:51, 9 AUG 2018

 

Rafa Benitez is understood to be deeply disappointed with Newcastle United’s poor end to the transfer window.

 

The Magpies boss could still get a couple of back-up players through the door on deadline day - but just like 12 months ago, Benitez is unhappy that his warnings throughout the last few weeks of the window have not been heeded.

 

In many ways he believes the damage could already be done.

 

Benitez was offered assurances that he could sign a centre-back and a left-back earlier this week, but he has hit a brick wall on some deals after being told the players don’t fit club criteria.

 

Whether that is because of wages, age or sell-on value is yet to come to light as United have not disclosed their transfer blueprint in public for some time.

 

Yet Benitez feels let down on a number of deals this summer after struggling to land a number of targets after financial restrictions were placed in his way.

 

This resulted in club legend Alan Shearer summing up the situation this week when he said on Five Live: “Whoever goes in seems to be having exactly the same problem and it’s quite obvious that’s not going to change under this owner.

 

“Rafa has made a profit again as we stand here of about £25million. He made a profit last year in the transfer market.

 

“What was it about £120million for finishing 10th last season? My question would be where’s that money gone.”

 

Benitez felt he had saved the club huge amounts of money after wheeling and dealing in the market and landing Ki Sung-yueng on a free transfer plus Salomón Rondón and Kenedy on loan deals.

 

Newcastle have spent around £17million this summer on Martin Dubravka, Fabian Schär and Yoshinori Muto.

 

 

"Yes, you can sign players" means nothing when Barnes always stops them.

[sbnufc]

Pathetic, man. Cannit even sign a Stoke player now

[taxfree]

Klavan and Pieters? yikes.

 

 

Another window of doing nothing, leaving things late, and "desperately" trying for utter crap in the last hours. Fuck off.