toon25 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 We won’t be in a position to sign players that’ll make the difference come January given the position we’re in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Remember the January when Fat Mike suddenly splashed some cash and bought the French brigade in? How bad was our situation then? I know this is worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5.5 There was loads to be encouraged about there, but need points badly. I dare say Burnley is a must win now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1892er Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Forget the points to safety for a minute. We are 14 games in without a win. If we can't beat Norwich at home who's scored 7 goals before this game, who the fuck can we beat? Literally the only hope is staying within touching distance till Jan and get some players and go on a run. Think we are gone though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 A point today isn’t the end of the world, a loss would have been. The Burnley game is a must win now though. I said we’d need four points from these two and we definitely do. Not just for our own points tally but to prevent Norwich/Burnley getting a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 We're down - we need Leeds to continue stinking and Norwich and Burnley to continue being shit. With our December fixture list we're gonna need to win unexpected fixtures for us to stand a chance of not being totally adrift by January. the most gut wrenching thing is the fact that despite Ashley fucking off, his stink still lingers here. This is a Championship defence, this squad still has many players from the last time we were in the Championship back in 2016. This was always going to happen, this is a competitive league, you need to develop players, you need to invest in players. Our training ground is League 1 level, our investment has been non-existent in recent times. The chickens have well and truly come home to roost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, nufcjb said: Remember the January when Fat Mike suddenly splashed some cash and bought the French brigade in? How bad was our situation then? I know this is worse. We had 20 points and were 15th then. 7 points now, quite possibly the same total it'll be on Jan 1st. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 People bumping this thread mid-game man, embarrassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 0 points in December will be absolutely catastrophic. We’re not getting a thing from those fixtures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Amir_9 said: We're down - we need Leeds to continue stinking and Norwich and Burnley to continue being shit. With our December fixture list we're gonna need to win unexpected fixtures for us to stand a chance of not being totally adrift by January. the most gut wrenching thing is the fact that despite Ashley fucking off, his stink still lingers here. This is a Championship defence, this squad still has many players from the last time we were in the Championship back in 2016. This was always going to happen, this is a competitive league, you need to develop players, you need to invest in players. Our training ground is League 1 level, our investment has been non-existent in recent times. The chickens have well and truly come home to roost. We needed the summer for Howe/Rafa to come in and overhaul the squad. PL fucked us over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just now, toon25 said: 0 points in December will be absolutely catastrophic. We’re not getting a thing from those fixtures. Burnley at home is about as easier start as we could wish for. Leicester are easily beatable, they’re woeful defensively. We’re also playing to win games now, so we have ever chance going into ever game. Beating Burnley is essential though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) I do think it's far too simplistic a view to say "if we can't beat Norwich at home". We had 10 men for 81 minutes because Clark is a nonce. Could've been so different. Edited November 30, 2021 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 The fucking defeatism on this thread is pathetic. The manager is learning about these players the hard way but the team spirit will be galvanised by tonight. I am sticking on a 7. The odds are against us at the moment but there is a long, long way to go yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackandWhite Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 If we don’t beat Burnley, then we’re most definitely going to be bottom at Christmas, and we all know how rare it is to survive after being in that situation. You'd have to be exceptionally optimistic to think it’s not likely we’re going down now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Leicester are easily beatable What. I appreciate your optimism man but Jesus Leicester are definitely not easily beatable for us. We haven't beaten 14 of the other teams in the league this season and a lot of them aren't half the side Leicester are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Anyone who thinks a team without a win in 14 or no clean sheets stays up needs sectioned, we are down, accept it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Wandy said: The fucking defeatism on this thread is pathetic. The manager is learning about these players the hard way but the team spirit will be galvanised by tonight. I am sticking on a 7. The odds are against us at the moment but there is a long, long way to go yet. We haven’t won in 14 games and have a horrific run of games coming, it’s realism not defeatism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: I do think it's far too simplistic a view to say "if we can't beat Norwich at home". We had 10 men for 81 minutes because Clark is a nonce. Could've been so different. People being very reactionary again. We’ll win one game and those 10s will turn into 4s. A season is 38 games, comparing it to x, y or z is largely irrelevant because every team and season is different. As long as we’re within touching distance (0-9 points) from safety going into that run of fixtures in January, I’d give us every chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 It's not that there aren't 'winnable' games ahead it's that the worse you are the first half of the season the better you have to be the second half. We will have to to be beating teams like leicester comfortably for rest of season to stand a chance, it's really really hard to see happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Still dont think we are going down. Howe is learning exactly who he cab rely on. Rather that was now than March or April tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, The Prophet said: 5.5 There was loads to be encouraged about there, but need points badly. I dare say Burnley is a must win now. Tonight was a must win, as well as Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said: People being very reactionary again. We’ll win one game and those 10s will turn into 4s. A season is 38 games, comparing it to x, y or z is largely irrelevant because every team and season is different. As long as we’re within touching distance (0-9 points) from safety going into that run of fixtures in January, I’d give us every chance. Watford's next 3 games are Chelsea and Man City at home then Brentford away. We pick up 4 points from Burnley and Leicester and we could well be 2 points from safety. Level if we get 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, midds said: 9.6 There's a glimmer but it's little more than that. You can't start a season without winning any of the first 14 games and genuinely expect to stay up. We're horrific, the cracks that Bruce papered over are now well and truly terminal. It'll take a miracle to get out of this now and it's almost impossible to argue it's not thoroughly deserved. Go down, rip it apart, storm the Championship and go again in 2 years time is about as much as we can hope for. Yup. We stink of relegation and a complete reboot is in order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Decky said: What. I appreciate your optimism man but Jesus Leicester are definitely not easily beatable for us. We haven't beaten 14 of the other teams in the league this season and a lot of them aren't half the side Leicester are. We thrashed the very same Leicester last season. Leicester managed to lose 1-0 to a team bottom of the Polish league this season. If they can beat them, so can we. As well as putting in some piss poor performances and results elsewhere (losing to Brighton, West Ham… drawing to Leeds, Spartak Moscow). They’re 10th. We’re hardly playing prime Barcelona. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 You’d think that Mandy would be planning for the Championship within the next month or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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