STM Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Just now, Abacus said: If it's a fresh injury, as Hope says, does that mean it's not a recurrence of the original one? I.e. not something that's down to the medical Department? Perhaps I'm not understanding this properly though. That's my reading of it. What I will say, before anyone else does, there's a chance that the club will say this to cover their tracks because the optics aren't good. But the key part is that none of us know. Some of us are jumping to conclusions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 8 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: I can address a few of those with facts if you like... - Barnes was out for an additional month, not because of a medical issue or something that the club had done (those pesky rubbish medical staff eh), but because the injury simply hadn't healed as fast as they initially thought it would. - Anderson, same. I spoke to his Dad recently who just said it was a really frustrating time... took ages to heal. Not sure what you want our medical staff to do about that. - Murphy was going to need surgery either way... it was just a matter of when. It just happened to reoccur in the first match back, but it's pretty common for a player with that injury to attempt to play on until the problem reoccurs. Jacob requested to postpone surgery so he could help the team, tested his shoulder prior to making himself available for selection, but it obviously didn't work. Not sure, again, why that has to be anyone's fault... doesn't seem to me like it caused any particular harm in attempting to get a few more games out of him. I know about those three + Sven's injury from the horses mouth, or from people pretty much adjacent to them. The others, I have no idea. Fair enough, I appreciate people have set backs, but 9 cases + Joelinton constantly having niggles then out for the season just seems either ridiculous luck or a systemic problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Just now, TRC said: Fair enough, I appreciate people have set backs, but 9 cases + Joelinton constantly having niggles then out for the season just seems either ridiculous luck or a systemic problem. or some could be part of a bigger problem. And some could be down to shit luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 At this point I’m just waiting for Bruno to be out for a year with a kinder related injury Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 What a season, I'll be pleased when it's done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordJake Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 13 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Deehan's doing my knee, but at the Nuffield cos I'm geet posh as owt As someone pointed out below he’s a right twat but a very good surgeon, he did a few Arsenal players years ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I’ll take 8th next season right this second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 13 minutes ago, LiquidAK said: Nice to see how quickly this has been used as a stick to beat the management team with. If a specialist, multiple specialists from what our only actual ITK on this has said, all said he doesn't need surgery, what exactly do you expect Howe to do? Assume he knows more than the actual specialists and ignore them because he "doesn't look right" and send a young lad for major surgery? As if any of you had a single clue about why Botman looked off his game beyond vibes. You've retrofitted this to fit a pre-existing agenda and it's so obvious Its incredibly transparent at this point. I do think there are instances where players have broken down because they've played too much football or been returned too quickly due the circumstances we found ourselves in. Willock immediately springs to mind. I'll be surprised if how handled the absentee list at it's peak isn't reviewed at the end of the season. In this instance though, we have Hope reporting it's a fresh injury and a reliable ITK informing us there was nothing more the club could have done and yet... Edited March 20 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I can accept myself and others are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 74. I can accept the club have acted on specialist and 3rd party advice (although I’m sure it was reported at the time there were some advising on the op, some not). What I can’t accept is that someone who missed 3-4 months with an ACL problem. Who returned and looked physically miles off it (sorry, Shadow Puppets ) and is now having an ACL operation. Has suffered a fresh, unrelated injury in the same knee. There is no way they are not related. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 10 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: poor Shadow Puppets. You're going to be repeating yourself a lot over the next two weeks. Hopefully he is on twitter to quieten a few know it alls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 What a fucking season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Its incredibly transparent at this point. I do think there are instances where players have broken because they've played too much football or been returned too quickly due the circumstances we found ourselves in. Willock immediately springs to mind. I'll be surprised if how handled the absentee list at it's peak isn't reviewed at the end of the season. In this instance though, we have Hope reporting it's a fresh injury and a reliable ITK informing us there was nothing more the club could have done and yet... Yep, definitely been a few I think we took risks on (out of necessity in some cases due to sheer lack of numbers) like Willock. It's definitely not been perfect, but the usual crowd jumping on this is beyond predictable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Regardless of whether its a fresh injury or unforseen, there was a feeling of inevitability on this one. I was sure he would end up under the knife at the end of the season and was playing through something, but all that's from nothing but a gut feeling. Lascelles will do a job in the mean time, hopefully summer brings some fresh legs in this area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 2 minutes ago, STM said: That's my reading of it. What I will say, before anyone else does, there's a chance that the club will say this to cover their tracks because the optics aren't good. But the key part is that none of us know. Some of us are jumping to conclusions. You're right and I'm just going off what my own eyes have been showing me since he originally injured the knee and then played another couple of games before spending time out. I agree none of us know for sure, but it's certainly suspicious in my eyes. Bruno last year, Joelington this year are another two that spring straight to mind. No conspiracy though, I'm just judging with my own eyes (as I said) on what I've seen on the pitch. Hopefully more solid information will come out, but I'm not convinced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Seems like we might need a medical staff overhaul like. How the fuck does this happen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 6 minutes ago, Miggys First Goal said: I’ll take 8th next season right this second. We are two points behind 8th this season with all the problems we have faced. Wouldnt take 8th now for next season at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 At least we'll miss him a lot less this time around. He's been shite for weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 A lot of The Times people with minor acl injuries are told they can still play with it as long as it doesn't flare up. And I think that's the case with him, but it seems to have finally gave up pn him. It was very clear. He was playing injured as he was nowhere near his original form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Ffs of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: I can accept myself and others are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 74. I can accept the club have acted on specialist and 3rd party advice (although I’m sure it was reported at the time there were some advising on the op, some not). What I can’t accept is that someone who missed 3-4 months with an ACL problem. Who returned and looked physically miles off it (sorry, Shadow Puppets ) and is now having an ACL operation. Has suffered a fresh, unrelated injury in the same knee. There is no way they are not related. Absolutely they are related Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Been in a meeting for the last 4-5 hours. This was fucking champion news to see on the BBC website. Give me fucking strength. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 So potentially half of next season without him? Best get ready for some more Lascelles then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Not sure this is bad luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 8 minutes ago, RodneyCisse said: Seems like we might need a medical staff overhaul like. How the fuck does this happen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 17 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: Mean the guy was just supposed to be out for a week, then spent like 3 months out, with nothing but rest for a knee injury, and has looked way off pace wise and confident wise since then. It’s fair to say loads of specialists said it was fine, but most people been saying since he’s come back, something is clearly not recovered and he must be carrying some injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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