Sven Botman

[The Butcher]

7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

There’s literally no way we let him play with any kind of ACL tear. 

Why not? We've had players playing with all sorts of injuries this season.

[mouldy_uk]

1 minute ago, STM said:

 

Of course we would. Our manager a medical team are amateurs. I've been googling for like half an hour, now I know more than them about complex medical issues.

Equip me with Chat GPT and I’d easily replace our entire medical team 

[NG32]

NUFC wear8ing white socks are bad luck, we never do well in white socks.

[Abacus]

If it's a fresh injury, as Hope says, does that mean it's not a recurrence of the original one? I.e. not something that's down to the medical Department?

 

Perhaps I'm not understanding this properly though.

[Sibierski]

Been obvious for ages he needed surgery ffs. This medical team.

 

Could’ve done this in December. Prodigy even more now for a CB.

[Doctor Zaius]

Pig sick of this club like

[LiquidAK]

Nice to see how quickly this has been used as a stick to beat the management team with.

 

If a specialist, multiple specialists from what our only actual ITK on this has said, all said he doesn't need surgery, what exactly do you expect Howe to do? Assume he knows more than the actual specialists and ignore them because he "doesn't look right" and send a young lad for major surgery?

 

As if any of you had a single clue about why Botman looked off his game beyond vibes. You've retrofitted this to fit a pre-existing agenda and it's so obvious

[Shadow Puppets]

Just now, Abacus said:

If it's a fresh injury, as Hope says, does that mean it's not a recurrence of the original one? I.e. not something that's down to the medical Department?

 

Perhaps I'm not understanding this properly though.

 

Even if it is a re-occurrence (I've asked, haven't heard back yet), it still doesn't mean it's our medical department's fault. Multiple specialists had all signed him off.

[Vinny Green Balls]

poor Shadow Puppets. You're going to be repeating yourself a lot over the next two weeks.

 

 

Edited March 20, 2024 by Vinny Green Balls

[The Prophet]

6 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

I have news for you mate... 90% of players in the premier league right now are playing with some kind of injury... some ailment. Some worse than others. Practically nobody is 100% fit. That's the nature of professional sport.

 

Yep, the old pain killing injection is pretty commonplace.

[Shadow Puppets]

1 minute ago, Sibierski said:

Been obvious for ages he needed surgery ffs. This medical team.

[STM]

Just now, Abacus said:

If it's a fresh injury, as Hope says, does that mean it's not a recurrence of the original one? I.e. not something that's down to the medical Department?

 

Perhaps I'm not understanding this properly though.

 

That's my reading of it.

 

What I will say, before anyone else does, there's a chance that the club will say this to cover their tracks because the optics aren't good.

 

But the key part is that none of us know. Some of us are jumping to conclusions.

[TRC]

8 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

 

 

I can address a few of those with facts if you like...

 

- Barnes was out for an additional month, not because of a medical issue or something that the club had done (those pesky rubbish medical staff eh), but because the injury simply hadn't healed as fast as they initially thought it would. 

 

- Anderson, same. I spoke to his Dad recently who just said it was a really frustrating time... took ages to heal. Not sure what you want our medical staff to do about that.

 

- Murphy was going to need surgery either way... it was just a matter of when. It just happened to reoccur in the first match back, but it's pretty common for a player with that injury to attempt to play on until the problem reoccurs. Jacob requested to postpone surgery so he could help the team, tested his shoulder prior to making himself available for selection, but it obviously didn't work. Not sure, again, why that has to be anyone's fault... doesn't seem to me like it caused any particular harm in attempting to get a few more games out of him.

 

I know about those three + Sven's injury from the horses mouth, or from people pretty much adjacent to them. The others, I have no idea.

 

 

Fair enough, I appreciate people have set backs, but 9 cases + Joelinton constantly having niggles then out for the season just seems either ridiculous luck or a systemic problem.

[Vinny Green Balls]

Just now, TRC said:

Fair enough, I appreciate people have set backs, but 9 cases + Joelinton constantly having niggles then out for the season just seems either ridiculous luck or a systemic problem.

or some could be part of a bigger problem. And some could be down to shit luck

[mouldy_uk]

At this point I’m just waiting for Bruno to be out for a year with a kinder related injury

 

 

[Ben]

What a season, I'll be pleased when it's done.

[LordJake]

13 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Deehan's doing my knee, but at the Nuffield cos I'm geet posh as owt

 

 

 

 

As someone pointed out below he’s a right twat but a very good surgeon, he did a few Arsenal players years ago 

[Miggys First Goal]

I’ll take 8th next season right this second. 

[The Prophet]

13 minutes ago, LiquidAK said:

Nice to see how quickly this has been used as a stick to beat the management team with.

 

If a specialist, multiple specialists from what our only actual ITK on this has said, all said he doesn't need surgery, what exactly do you expect Howe to do? Assume he knows more than the actual specialists and ignore them because he "doesn't look right" and send a young lad for major surgery?

 

As if any of you had a single clue about why Botman looked off his game beyond vibes. You've retrofitted this to fit a pre-existing agenda and it's so obvious

 

Its incredibly transparent at this point.

 

I do think there are instances where players have broken down because they've played too much football or been returned too quickly due the circumstances we found ourselves in. Willock immediately springs to mind. I'll be surprised if how handled the absentee list at it's peak isn't reviewed at the end of the season.

 

In this instance though, we have Hope reporting it's a fresh injury and a reliable ITK informing us there was nothing more the club could have done and yet...

 

 

Edited March 20, 2024 by The Prophet

[Lush Vlad]

I can accept myself and others are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 74. I can accept the club have acted on specialist and 3rd party advice (although I’m sure it was reported at the time there were some advising on the op, some not). 
 

What I can’t accept is that someone who missed 3-4 months with an ACL problem. Who returned and looked physically miles off it (sorry, Shadow Puppets ) and is now having an ACL operation. Has suffered a fresh, unrelated injury in the same knee. 
 

There is no way they are not related. 

[jack j]

10 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

poor Shadow Puppets. You're going to be repeating yourself a lot over the next two weeks.

 

 

 

Hopefully he is on twitter to quieten a few know it alls

[Checko]

What a fucking season.

[LiquidAK]

2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Its incredibly transparent at this point.

 

I do think there are instances where players have broken because they've played too much football or been returned too quickly due the circumstances we found ourselves in. Willock immediately springs to mind. I'll be surprised if how handled the absentee list at it's peak isn't reviewed at the end of the season.

 

In this instance though, we have Hope reporting it's a fresh injury and a reliable ITK informing us there was nothing more the club could have done and yet...

Yep, definitely been a few I think we took risks on (out of necessity in some cases due to sheer lack of numbers) like Willock. It's definitely not been perfect, but the usual crowd jumping on this is beyond predictable.

[Mattoon]

Regardless of whether its a fresh injury or unforseen, there was a feeling of inevitability on this one. I was sure he would end up under the knife at the end of the season and was playing through something, but all that's from nothing but a gut feeling.

 

Lascelles will do a job in the mean time, hopefully summer brings some fresh legs in this area.

[et tu brute]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

 

That's my reading of it.

 

What I will say, before anyone else does, there's a chance that the club will say this to cover their tracks because the optics aren't good.

 

But the key part is that none of us know. Some of us are jumping to conclusions.

You're right and I'm just going off what my own eyes have been showing me since he originally injured the knee and then played another couple of games before spending time out. I agree none of us know for sure, but it's certainly suspicious in my eyes. Bruno last year, Joelington this year are another two that spring straight to mind. No conspiracy though, I'm just judging with my own eyes (as I said) on what I've seen on the pitch. Hopefully more solid information will come out, but I'm not convinced.