Guest Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Skeletor said: Can someone explain to me how a loan with obligation to buy circumvents FFP? Think it just kicks the can a further 12 months when it comes to the rolling 5 years spend that you're allowed. The obvious example was PSG with Mbappe so they could get him the same summer as Neymar without falling foul of FFP. Edited July 20, 2022 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Skeletor said: Can someone explain to me how a loan with obligation to buy circumvents FFP? The transfer only occurs when the obligation kicks in, so it won’t count towards FFP whilst we are currently under small sponsorship levels. The idea being, that the transfer occurs in a years time when we (hopefully) have bigger sponsorship and income so the figure is a smaller percentage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: sorry but if you buy at 30 and sell at 15 you’ve made a loss. it may be an acceptable loss but it’s a loss The only type of loss we care about is in relation to FPP. With amortisation we could sell for less in a few years time and break even as far as FPP is concerned. Our owners don’t care about losing 10 million quid on player over 2 or 3 years. Edited July 20, 2022 by BoSelecta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Skeletor said: Can someone explain to me how a loan with obligation to buy circumvents FFP? Fee isn't recorded as a loss until next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, BoSelecta said: Aye this is dream territory Such nonsense clickbait stuff: ”If we signed Messi, Isak, Paqueta, De Bruyne and Pedri would it be a decent window?” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 At least with Harrison, the player will be putting pressure on the selling club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Reading between the lines, it looks as though the plan is Harrison and a young forward. Nice to know we are still targeting two positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, STM said: At least with Harrison, the player will be putting pressure on the selling club. He’ll be looking to double his weekly wage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I wouldnt go the route of going for Harrison. However, I definitely wouldn’t be against it and I can see why. First of all his output is pretty good in terms of goals and assists. Add that to his energy, pressing and it’s a player that would add a lot to a team, especially over a season. For example, quite many wingers/wide forwards go from being absolutely brilliant and entertaining and then to a pretty low standard the next game. Inconsistency is common amongst these type of players, and one thing that you don’t see often with flair/wide players it’s their off the ball work, energy, pressing (in a good way). At least not consistently. I’m not saying that Harrison doesn’t have bad games, but when he does he definitely offers something else for the team, as in so called effort. And that can’t be underestimated imho, especially over a season and the extra points it will add up to. One name that comes to mind, even if not the same type of player, that is Dirk Kuyt. Effective even if not elegant like art. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, The Prophet said: Pls be us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Didn’t he end up going to Galatasaray I thought? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 32 minutes ago, Mahoneys Tache said: Thought it was Modric that was the final straw? sure he didnt find out about the derisory bid for modric till later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I bet it’ll be Forest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Or Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeepShow4life Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Probably Leeds judging by his haircut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 hours ago, reefatoon said: If Howe feels he’s a next step player and wants to bring him in, that’s good enough for me. Don't understand this approach. I get the whole we back Eddie and the team but part of being a supporter or following football in general is to be able to form your own opinion, surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, PlymouthGeordie said: Don't understand this approach. I get the whole we back Eddie and the team but part of being a supporter or following football in general is to be able to form your own opinion, surely? Yes and his opinion is that he backs Eddie's decision making. Sometimes it's wiser to trust those who know better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 minute ago, STM said: Yes and his opinion is that he backs Eddie's decision making. Sometimes it's wiser to trust those who know better. That's not an opinion and somewhere along the line Howe will sign a dud, all managers do. If Eddie set us up against Forest with a fully fit Bruno, Joelinton and Wilson on the bench no supporter would be championing "I back Eddie, it's a good line up". We'd all be asking questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 58 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: I don’t agree. I was really disappointed when we sold him. Can’t even recall the manager? Probs FSA? It was SBR who brought him here, and then Souness came in and declared something along the lines of " You'll not win anything with the likes of Milner and Ambrose in your side". You obviously weren't on these forums when he was here, Milner used to get pelters from a lot of fans. Everyone remembers differently in hindsight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Worth creating a Jack Harrison thread yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, PlymouthGeordie said: Don't understand this approach. I get the whole we back Eddie and the team but part of being a supporter or following football in general is to be able to form your own opinion, surely? True, let’s boo the cunt. Naa, seriously though, I have full faith in what he is wanting to put together and how he sees the team setting up and playing. If he then thinks a certain player will add to that then I am happy, even though it’s not a “name”. I think some fans are getting a bit carried away and expecting the world this summer. The owners always said it was a building project, something they would work towards. If that means signing players like Burn, Targett, Pope and potentially Harrison, then yes, that’s fine with me. We can’t have an opinion on what a player can offer us until he plays games for the club. Players can look poor for one team and be a totally different player at another club. we wrote off so many of our own players prior to Howe coming in and he has turned a few of them around, so I am sure he can do it with some of the unfashionable names linked. Edited July 20, 2022 by reefatoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Harrison, Sesko and CHO on loan would be dreamy. Then next year we can hopefully focus recruitment on 2 or 3 big players only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 Just now, reefatoon said: True, let’s boo the cunt. Naa, seriously though, I have full faith in what he is wanting to put together and how he sees the team setting up and playing. If he then thinks a certain player will add to that then I am happy, even though it’s not a “name”. I think some fans are getting a bit carried away and expecting the world this summer. The owners always said it was a building project, something they would work towards. If that means signing players like Burn, Targett, Pope and potentially Harrison, then yes, that’s fine with me. We can’t have an opinion on someone until we see what they can do for us. we wrote off so many of our own players prior to Howe coming in and he has turned a few of the around, so I am sure he can do it with some of the unfashionable names linked. Yeah that's a fair point. I trust Howe too but my trust is that he gets most decisions right so I won't pull him up or judge him on the decisions he gets wrong. It wouldn't stop me from forming my own opinion on a player though (provided I've seen enough of them to form an opinion). I thought Wood was a panic buy and I'd say most fans are split on his impact. Regardless of his individual performances (which I thought were really poor) it's evident he was part a team that collected a lot of points. Question is, does that mean he was a good signing or would we have collected those points with Gayle starting instead? On Harrison, for 18m I can understand it. Anything north of 20m and I'd rather use the money elsewhere or keep it back until January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintdempsey Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I feel spoiled saying that Harrison (to me) seems like a boring signing. Coupled with Sesko and Paqueta on the other hand. Sign me up. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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