TBG Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just glad he got it out of his system now rather than the Champions League final next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, TBG said: Just glad he got it out of his system now rather than the Champions League final next season. Christ, at least be a little bit realistic. There ain't no way our final gets to penalties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Didn't actually see his penalty until about an hour ago. Fuck me, that is quite a miss Absolutely superb footballer regardless, of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Joseph said: The “just fuckin smash it man????” crowd are pretty thick/tedious, as if a conventional miss is somehow morally superior to a stutter miss. 'Smashing it' is no better than the stuttered run-up. Two or three strides then place with as much power as accuracy allows is the optimum way to take one. A long run up increases the chances of a mis-stride and therefore a mis-kick; the stuttered run-up is that on steroids; the 'just fuckin smash it' is liable to go anywhere but the target. At some point, someone is going to miss or have their spot kick saved. But you don't need to increase the odds by being daft. Edited November 10, 2022 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: 'Smashing it' is no better than the stuttered run-up. Two or three strides then place with as much power as accuracy allows is the optimum way to take one. A long run up increases the chances of a mis-stride and therefore a mis-kick; the stuttered run-up is that on steroids; the 'just fuckin smash it' is liable to go anywhere but the target. At some point, someone is going to miss or have their spot kick saved. But you don't need to increase the odds by being daft. Not sure I agree - power over accuracy works well a lot of the time, because you don't know exactly where it's going to go. As you just have a general area, you become harder to read, and if the keeper does get it right, the power can help ensure he won't get to it in time. All of Pope's saves were from really timid penalties with no power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, HawK said: Not sure I agree - power over accuracy works well a lot of the time, because you don't know exactly where it's going to go. As you just have a general area, you become harder to read, and if the keeper does get it right, the power can help ensure he won't get to it in time. All of Pope's saves were from really timid penalties with no power. Agreed - it is a question of proportionality. You want to strike the ball as cleanly as possible - which is why long or stuttered run-ups are a bad idea. But blasted penalties - really putting the laces through it - isn't any more likely to result in a goal to me. A weak penalty on target definitely has a better chance of going in than a blasted one off-target Still love Beppe Signori's technique, me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhPRfmzZyUE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I appreciate all of this but I’m certain the countless hours of actual football Bruno has played and the countless hours of coaching he received prior to the penalty kick didn’t identify that he needed to change his successful penalty history and run up. Thankfully we’re through and he’ll smash it in next time he has to step up for one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Kanji said: I appreciate all of this but I’m certain the countless hours of actual football Bruno has played and the countless hours of coaching he received prior to the penalty kick didn’t identify that he needed to change his successful penalty history and run up. Thankfully we’re through and he’ll smash it in next time he has to step up for one. Yep - though he should be thankful that BR isn't the manager, given his reaction to Jenas's fluffed one in a pre-season friendly ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQp2c-nPoxk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 It infuriates me when I see a player softly side-foot a penalty. I don’t have the stats to back this claim up but it just seems like keepers tend to pick a corner and dive low. From that short a distance out, my hypothesis is that you should always hit it as hard as you can while keeping it on target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 The ultimate penalties were our first 3. Isak’s at home was sublime too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Everyone has probably read it already, but David Winner's 'A Beautiful Orange' has a cracking chapter on penalty taking; due to the Dutch being so hopeless at penalties, they committed an academic study on the optimum way to take one. I think I've lost my copy of the book now, but it was an interesting read. From memory, it was to take a two- or three-stride run up to the ball - and the run should be straight i.e. parallel with the two posts, not coming from an angle which can give the GK a read on the direction, and aiming for the bottom corners rather than high i.e. drilling it (not a side-foot placement). Could all be a load of bollocks of course, but it made sense the last time I read it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 hours ago, The Butcher said: Refuse to believe Shearer missed 11 pels. He wasn't actually THAT good at them... He missed more in cups e.g. Partizan. I'd back Shola any day over him. 2 hours ago, LiquidAK said: There’s a dressing room victory photo on Botman’s Instagram story, can’t find it anywhere else, but Bruno looks DEVASTATED in it, only one not smiling. Lad is clearly emotionally led, hope he’s okay this morning Could you repost please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Everyone has probably read it already, but David Winner's 'A Beautiful Orange' has a cracking chapter on penalty taking; due to the Dutch being so hopeless at penalties, they committed an academic study on the optimum way to take one. I think I've lost my copy of the book now, but it was an interesting read. From memory, it was to take a two- or three-stride run up to the ball - and the run should be straight i.e. parallel with the two posts, not coming from an angle which can give the GK a read on the direction, and aiming for the bottom corners rather than high i.e. drilling it (not a side-foot placement). Could all be a load of bollocks of course, but it made sense the last time I read it. Randomly thought of him reading this. But I remember Graham Alexander having a strange looking run up and being really effective. Used often drill them, but the run up was always straight and often laces, from memory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I like Kane's run up, a few rapid small steps. If it hadn't been mentioned above that it's Bruno's usual run up, I'd be wondering if he didn't quite know what the fuck he was doing there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Randomly thought of him reading this. But I remember Graham Alexander having a strange looking run up and being really effective. Used often drill them, but the run up was always straight and often laces, from memory. That’s right, he used that technique That chapter is worth digging out - again, from memory it talks about a well struck pen travelling at c.100km/h or c.60mph meant the goalkeeper had just under half a second to react and move into position. 60mph is well struck but not a thunderbastard by any stretch. So if it reasonably accurate into the bottom corner the goalie effectively has very little chance of saving it Edited November 10, 2022 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 35 minutes ago, McCormick said: It infuriates me when I see a player softly side-foot a penalty. I don’t have the stats to back this claim up but it just seems like keepers tend to pick a corner and dive low. From that short a distance out, my hypothesis is that you should always hit it as hard as you can while keeping it on target. I would have that school of thought for myself. But then I'm a pretty crap footballer and I played defensive mid 4/4 using this method in shootouts I always thought hard and low towards the corner was best. Shola used that style, I think? It's hard for the keeper to even get down in time or reach it if it is towards the post. But then you see these types go wide. I think Lewandowski and Bamford have missed doing this. Plus if it isn't right in the corner, you're giving the keeper a great chance. As it's not like they dive towards a top corner. The power ones I suppose you've got less control over it and if it's not really high or up in the top corner. Then a keeper just guessing the right way, might basically just flop into the ball by almost sheer luck. Plus of course just hammering it over comes into play. If we get into Europe and actually have cup runs. I'm not sure I can get used to us in penalty shootouts, mind. Nerve wracking stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, 80 said: He wasn't actually THAT good at them... He missed more in cups e.g. Partizan. I'd back Shola any day over him. Could you repost please? The misses vs Partizan, the Mackems and Blackburn in the cups stick out. His record when it actually mattered wasn’t particularly great for us, tbh. His misses tended to come in games that had meaning. Shola is the best I’ve seen to date in B&W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 26 minutes ago, 80 said: He wasn't actually THAT good at them... He missed more in cups e.g. Partizan. I'd back Shola any day over him. Could you repost please? I’m actually not sure how, it’s only on his story rather than a post, not sure if it was posted anywhere else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, LiquidAK said: I’m actually not sure how, it’s only on his story rather than a post, not sure if it was posted anywhere else Just seen someone's clipped it in the match thread He looks utterly gutted. Genuinely worrying I'm sure he'll fire back up. But yes, he's an emotional guy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Penalty experts-online.org Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: The misses vs Partizan, the Mackems and Blackburn in the cups stick out. His record when it actually mattered wasn’t particularly great for us, tbh. His misses tended to come in games that had meaning. Shola is the best I’ve seen to date in B&W Didn't he miss at home to Wolves when we finished 5th and the boos rung out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: Didn't he miss at home to Wolves when we finished 5th and the boos rung out? Yep. The two points dropped that day made qualifying for the CL far more difficult Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 The best way to take a penalty cannot be calculated like, it will completely depend on the player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 3 hours ago, The College Dropout said: His (Shearer) penalty miss against Partizan changed the course of our club. It's either the 2-6 against Man Utd or Gravesen crippling Bernard for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sima said: It's either the 2-6 against Man Utd or Gravesen crippling Bernard for me. Woodgate sprinting to the touchline to keep the ball in for no reason, Partizan get it, break and score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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