ExiledGeordie Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Noticed he was the one that stepped up and tried lifting Trippier after the pen miss as well. He's another proper leader and noticed he needed to be there. Yeah he’s vital at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) On 18/12/2023 at 09:35, JNK said: That's why it's interesting. In classic Brazil the norm would be something like 9 11 7 10 8 5 6 4 3 2 1 or 9 11 7/8 10 7/8 5 6 4 3 2 That makes sense that Brazil would have that number sequencing - W-M was in use when Brazil first adopted numbers. So: 11 9 7 10 8 6 5 4 3 2 And W-M was often really a 3-2-5, which makes it clearer: 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 So they would have moved the left-half to left back, so the 6 is the new LB. The inside right is moved into midfield, because in Brazil 4-2-4 becomes the norm in the mid-50s after W-M loses favour. In England, the numbers were first introduced when W-M was somewhat established, but many teams would still line up in the only formation football had actually had for over half a century - 2-3-5 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 In England (UK generally), the centre-half (5) first slotted into centre-back, then when W-M became 4-4-2 in the late 50s, the 6 (left-half) also became a CB, with the inside right slotting into midfield - usually RCM. So the 4 & 8 were your centre mids TBF it was mainly in France and Germany were the ‘6’ was a midfielder and the ‘4’ a centre back. Which is why football hipsters love wanking on about ‘number 6s’ - as if a defensive midfielder who can play a bit is an invention of mainland Europe. Therefore, anyone who calls a defensive mid a ‘6’ is immediately suspicious and should be treated with extreme caution (I’m joking!) edit: for anyone who actually managed to get through that and somehow is curious as to why the team numbers seem to go backwards, that’s because football formations were usually shown in the inverse of what they are today - often in the program the two teams would be shown as if they were on the pitch against each other. So: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Edited December 20, 2023 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 10 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: That makes sense that Brazil would have that number sequencing - W-M was in use when Brazil first adopted numbers. So: 11 9 7 10 8 6 5 4 3 2 And W-M was often really a 3-2-5, which makes it clearer: 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 So they would have moved the left-half to left back, so the 6 is the new LB. The inside right is moved into midfield, because in Brazil 4-2-4 becomes the norm in the mid-50s after W-M loses favour. In England, the numbers were first introduced when W-M was somewhat established, but many teams would still line up in the only formation football had actually had for over half a century - 2-3-5 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 In England (UK generally), the centre-half (5) first slotted into centre-back, then when W-M became 4-4-2 in the late 50s, the 6 (left-half) also became a CB, with the inside right slotting into midfield - usually RCM. So the 4 & 8 were your centre mids TBF it was mainly in France and Germany were the ‘6’ was a midfielder and the ‘4’ a centre back. Which is why football hipsters love wanking on about ‘number 6s’ - as if a defensive midfielder who can play a bit is an invention of mainland Europe. Therefore, anyone who calls a defensive mid a ‘6’ is immediately suspicious and should be treated with extreme caution (I’m joking!) edit: for anyone who actually managed to get through that and somehow is curious as to why the team numbers seem to go backwards, that’s because football formations were usually shown in the inverse of what they are today - often in the program the two teams would be shown as if they were on the pitch against each other. So: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 That's a proper football history lesson mate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 hours ago, JNK said: That's a proper football history lesson mate! Cheers haha - and all because I’m irrationally irritated by the nonsense use of numbers to describe positions And your explanation of numbering in Brazilian football simply added to it - the numbering system changed in different football cultures. So I get annoyed at the obvious pretentiousness of describing a ‘6’ in English football, when that number never matched the position described (while arguing against it in the most pretentious way possible) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Love him but his passing was way off it today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Aye he was poor today. Passing was terrible and what the fuck was that shot towards the end of the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, joeyt said: Love him but his passing was way off it today Agree but he's flogged to death. Guy plays every second of every fucking game, and it's a rule that everything has to go through him. We need some more creativity and brains to help him. Longstaff was utterly invisible today tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 We're gonna burn him out if we carry on like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Lotus said: We're gonna burn him out if we carry on like this. He's already burnt out, Id say. Give them all a week off and play the kids against Forrest and Liverpool. We're not gonna win with this group. Empty Tanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetsbaiaIsBald Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, joeyt said: Love him but his passing was way off it today I felt it was more desperate than normal at times. So more mistakes I guess. But yes agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) Couldn't pass wind today Edited December 23, 2023 by 1964 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaj Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Still thought he was our best player even being slightly off it. Only one that looked like they were trying to do something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, 1964 said: Could pass wind today Farting on the pitch doesn’t normally help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Should be made club captain sooner rather than later. Always wanting the ball and never hiding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideopenMag Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 On 23/12/2023 at 18:24, dcmk said: Should be made club captain sooner rather than later. Always wanting the ball and never hiding. Love him but don't think he has the correct mentality to be captain like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, WideopenMag said: Love him but don't think he has the correct mentality to be captain like. Not sure like, I'd be chuffed with him being club captain after Lascelles and Trippier. Think he's become more of a leader through all this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: Not sure like, I'd be chuffed with him being club captain after Lascelles and Trippier. Think he's become more of a leader through all this. Might take the edge off his radge moments Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideopenMag Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Not sure like, I'd be chuffed with him being club captain after Lascelles and Trippier. Think he's become more of a leader through all this. See more from the likes of Schar or Botman tbh, his discipline is too poor to be a captain for me. I love him btw not a moan just don't think everyone is suited to be a captain, Joelinton would be similar for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 On the Barcelona links - they’re about to fail UEFA FFP so wishful thinking on their behalf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 16 minutes ago, WideopenMag said: See more from the likes of Schar or Botman tbh, his discipline is too poor to be a captain for me. I love him btw not a moan just don't think everyone is suited to be a captain, Joelinton would be similar for me. You love a negative.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideopenMag Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ronson333 said: You love a negative.. What's negative? Odd comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, WideopenMag said: What's negative? Odd comment. Keep going, youve been around 5 weeks and we see your posting style. Edited December 24, 2023 by Ronson333 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 1 hour ago, PauloGeordio said: Look at him all smiling like we didn't just lose yesterday. Embarrassing. Bruno out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted December 24, 2023 Share Posted December 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, wormy said: Look at him all smiling like we didn't just lose yesterday. Embarrassing. Bruno out. Worrying! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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