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I honestly think some people just think players got lucky and didn’t work their absolutely arses off, sacrificing loads to get to the highest level.

 

Sounds a bit of a fuck on tbh so fair play to them.

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22 minutes ago, Dokko said:

 

Patronising gaslighting MF. I feel sorry for your lass. One day she will wake up. 

Howay man Dokko. It’s all gone a bit radge here. I know how much you help other people with their mental health and how much the topic means to you.  Genuinely don’t think KI is having a go at you here

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3 hours ago, TorchyTBB said:

 

Bless.  Maybe needs to do a "proper" job for a few months earning an annual salary that he gets in half a week.

 

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42 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

Little did we know. 

 

 

They must have thought they fleeced us getting £10m for him, but what an absolutely amazing signing he has been. Legit one of my favourite players to ever wear the shirt, love him so much. 

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Not that it matters, and still a good price, but fairly sure the fee ended up around £15-16.5m when we secured our spot in the PL. Similar to how Trippiers initial fee was so low.

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3 hours ago, Nobody said:

They must have thought they fleeced us getting £10m for him, but what an absolutely amazing signing he has been. Legit one of my favourite players to ever wear the shirt, love him so much. 

He’s my favourite current player, though there are days when Bruno hops past him.  BDB’s story is our story. 

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10 hours ago, Dokko said:

 

Being stressed about playing lots of football is very different to being stressed over whether you'll lose your house or your kids will eat. 

 

Considering the light he's shined on mental health, I honestly expect so much better from him (unless those comments are missing a few caveats) 

Given your interest, you don’t appear to know much about what is generally true for people with regards to mental health. Thinking it is determined by finances or other environmental factors or that the presence of good ‘social’ resources protects somebody from crushing depression, hopelessness, or tormenting anxiety, just isn’t true. 
 

 

 

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7 hours ago, toon25 said:

 

And a bloody good one

 

Turns out Julie from customer services desk could do a lot of it anyway 

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Dan Burn, and every other human being, is perfectly entitled to discuss their mental health without whataboutery following, like. I thought we were well beyond assumptions that wealth fixes everything as a society. Obviously not.

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even back in 1844 when talking about alienation and estranged labor, Marx observed that the more value a worker generates for the market the more they devalue themself individually.

 

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The worker becomes all the poorer the more wealth he produces, the more his production increases in power and size. The worker becomes an ever cheaper commodity the more commodities he creates. The devaluation of the world of men is in direct proportion to the increasing value of the world of things. Labor produces not only commodities; it produces itself and the worker as a commodity – and this at the same rate at which it produces commodities in general.

 

This fact expresses merely that the object which labor produces – labor’s product – confronts it as something alien, as a power independent of the producer. The product of labor is labor which has been embodied in an object, which has become material: it is the objectification of labor. Labor’s realization is its objectification. Under these economic conditions this realization of labor appears as loss of realization for the workers[18]; objectification as loss of the object and bondage to it; appropriation as estrangement, as alienation.[19]

 

So much does the labor’s realization appear as loss of realization that the worker loses realization to the point of starving to death. So much does objectification appear as loss of the object that the worker is robbed of the objects most necessary not only for his life but for his work. Indeed, labor itself becomes an object which he can obtain only with the greatest effort and with the most irregular interruptions. So much does the appropriation of the object appear as estrangement that the more objects the worker produces the less he can possess and the more he falls under the sway of his product, capital.

 

All these consequences are implied in the statement that the worker is related to the product of labor as to an alien object. For on this premise it is clear that the more the worker spends himself, the more powerful becomes the alien world of objects which he creates over and against himself, the poorer he himself – his inner world – becomes, the less belongs to him as his own. It is the same in religion. The more man puts into God, the less he retains in himself. The worker puts his life into the object; but now his life no longer belongs to him but to the object. Hence, the greater this activity, the more the worker lacks objects. Whatever the product of his labor is, he is not. Therefore, the greater this product, the less is he himself. The alienation of the worker in his product means not only that his labor becomes an object, an external existence, but that it exists outside him, independently, as something alien to him, and that it becomes a power on its own confronting him. It means that the life which he has conferred on the object confronts him as something hostile and alien.

 

enjoy https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm

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Been awful for a while. Not a left back. No idea why he's at the World Cup and Maguire's at home. Proud of what he's achieved given his obvious limitations, but his football this season has been at best bizarre marauding up the flank and whilst I love his attitude surely Newcastle United in 2026 is about more than this.

 

Caveat that - under Howe, it'll be more Burn, more Pope, more Murphy. Sad, but true.

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Not having this. Out of order from several people , he's been a tremendous servant , helped save us and then helped us win the first trophy in generations . It's definitely time for him to be either moved on or be back up only (certainly nowhere near a full back role) and a lot of the problems with him are down to the manager but he's been as important as Bruno or Trippier in the last few years.

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1 minute ago, Keggy_Keagal said:

Not having this. Out of order from several people , he's been a tremendous servant , helped save us and then helped us win the first trophy in generations . It's definitely time for him to be either moved on or be back up only (certainly nowhere near a full back role) and a lot of the problems with him are down to the manager but he's been as important as Bruno or Trippier in the last few years.

The way some people talk about players and a manager who are club legends is absolutely rank like. Hardly news like but some of our fans and football fans just in general are absolute cunts. 

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Just now, Keggy_Keagal said:

Not having this. Out of order from several people , he's been a tremendous servant , helped save us and then helped us win the first trophy in generations . It's definitely time for him to be either moved on or be back up only (certainly nowhere near a full back role) and a lot of the problems with him are down to the manager but he's been as important as Bruno or Trippier in the last few years.

Agree. It was only a week ago we saw off West Ham and we looked decent. I don’t know whether World Cup squad announcements have had an impact but our players looked utterly half arsed. Not helped by baffling decisions. I’m still on the fence but every week that goes by that confidence in him erodes. A bad start and I’d rather pull the parachute quickly than limp on similar to his final Bournemouth season.

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