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On 26/11/2025 at 18:33, manorpark said:

 

Which "500 years" would that be then??

 

On May 23rd in 1400 King Henry IV granted Newcastle a charter that separated the town from the rest of Northumberland, becoming a county in itself. Roger Thornton became the Mayor, a post he held nine times. The castle remained under Northumberland’s jurisdiction, which was handy for criminals on the run from the law in the town. May 23rd 1400 King Henry IV., by a charter of this date, granted, that Newcastle, with the suburbs and precincts thereof, should be separated from the county of Northumberland, and be a county of itself, with the title of the county of Newcastle, and that the burgesses thereof, instead of bailiffs as formerly, should have a sheriff, to be chosen annually, to have the same power as other sheriffs of counties, and the privilege of holding a county court on one Wednesday in every month ; that none of the burgesses should plead or be impleaded without that town, concerning any tenements or tenures within the same, its suburbs, or the precincts thereof, or concerning any offences or other matters arising there, but that the mayor and sheriff should have cognizance of all pleas in the Guildhall of the town. That the said burgesses and their heirs should be exempt from serving on juries without the town ; that they should have power to choose six alderman, who, with the mayor, should be justices of the peace, and that the mayor and sheriff should continue to hold the annual courts heretofore held by the mayor and bailiffs. Roger Thornton was mayor, and William Redmarshall the first sheriff of Newcastle, under this charter.”

 

City and County Coronation Programme 30 May 1953 to 6 June 1953 - NEWCASTLE.jpg

 

On 26/11/2025 at 21:11, Coffee_Johnny said:

That 500 or so years, in terms of historic county boundaries. What was the county town of Northumberland during that period? 
 

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Newcastle was the county town of Northumberland as well as being a county corporate town (‘county and town of’).  All the large cities and towns (as well as militarily important ones) outside of London were granted that status.  This is why Moot Hall was an exclave within the county corporate - Newcastle still served as the county town, but had a separate sheriff.  It doesn’t mean that Newcastle wasn’t in Northumberland, whatever a copy-and-pasted Facebook post says. 

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10 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

North Shields = West Tynemouth. 

Always amuses me Tynemouth squash club being all the way in billy mill, Tynemouth morrisons, cricket club etc also not in Tynemouth.

 

The camponile near washy services is names Washington, Newcastle.  Always got a barrage of abuse being dropped off at the services after away games, even though Birtley is one side.

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4 minutes ago, ramirez said:

Always amuses me Tynemouth squash club being all the way in billy mill, Tynemouth morrisons, cricket club etc also not in Tynemouth.

 

The camponile near washy services is names Washington, Newcastle.  Always got a barrage of abuse being dropped off at the services after away games, even though Birtley is one side.


This was a genuine one. Me mate was having a pop at his Dad who lives just out of Tynemouth and in Shields. But apparently once told someone he lives in “Tynemouth West” :lol: 

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10 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

 

Newcastle was the county town of Northumberland as well as being a county corporate town (‘county and town of’).  All the large cities and towns (as well as militarily important ones) outside of London were granted that status.  This is why Moot Hall was an exclave within the county corporate - Newcastle still served as the county town, but had a separate sheriff.  It doesn’t mean that Newcastle wasn’t in Northumberland, whatever a copy-and-pasted Facebook post says. 

 

Nothing "just" copied and pasted here young fellow!!

 

I have been a historian of our great City my entire life so (even if you choose not to listen to me) I know what I am talking about.

 

This "county town" thing (not just in this case but in all cases) is meaningless, it is an honorary title that has no meaning, purpose, or function.

 

The City and County of Newcastle upon Tyne existed until 1974 when the City agreed (it had a choice) to drop the "and county" and become the City of Newcastle upon Tyne as a 'metropolitan borough' of the newly created Tyne & Wear County.

 

Newcastle was not in Northumberland, and it really mystifies me as to why you would try to say otherwise.

 

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28 minutes ago, manorpark said:

 

Nothing "just" copied and pasted here young fellow!!

 

I have been a historian of our great City my entire life so (even if you choose not to listen to me) I know what I am talking about.

 

This "county town" thing (not just in this case but in all cases) is meaningless, it is an honorary title that has no meaning, purpose, or function.

 

The City and County of Newcastle upon Tyne existed until 1974 when the City agreed (it had a choice) to drop the "and county" and become the City of Newcastle upon Tyne as a 'metropolitan borough' of the newly created Tyne & Wear County.

 

Newcastle was not in Northumberland, and it really mystifies me as to why you would try to say otherwise.

 

Gosforth was though? and the likes of Throckley

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On 25/11/2025 at 11:45, deejeck said:

I don't remember any of this, but I read somewhere recently that they held a fan vote twenty-odd years ago to choose a nickname for the club, with black cats winning the vote.  If that's true, then having to manufacture something like that seems like such an odd thing to have to do.

 

 

Probably had something to do with a cat could chin a magpie if they went toe to toe. 

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3 hours ago, Choppy Chop Chop said:

Gosforth was though? and the likes of Throckley

 

Yes, every part of Newcastle joined the City at different times over the centuries.

 

A few parts of the City joined us 51 years ago (the last batch so far) namely Westerhope, Gosforth, and Throckley.

 

They were always physically part of the city, but not 'administratively' part of the City until 1974, having their own small "Urban District" councils under Northumberland. 

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