Kimbo Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 (edited) I think Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard all get hyped up by their supporters due to the argument about who’s best, to elevate them above the other two. Scholes is my preferred option of the three but it’s reasonable to say they all had major flaws and weren’t really among the best midfielders in the world. Edited October 31, 2025 by Kimbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewel Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 2 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Scholes gets better with every year he has been retired. I’m sure some of those quotes. Were the likes of Xavi are saying he’s the best player of all time (citation required). Are totally made up and all. Zidane also said Scholes was the toughest opponent he ever faced. Apparently he's also the only English player who would get into Pep's great Barcelona side of the late noughties. Personally, I just don't see it. I mean, he was a very good player, but some of the hyperbole is way over the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedder Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 1 minute ago, Jewel said: Bergkamp absolutely is a PL great, the guy was an artist on a football pitch. I wish there were more players like him in the game today that are graceful, instead of the proliferation of physical monsters that we have. Think it’s one for the unpopular opinion thread. My memories are just that he didn’t do it often enough, and although his game wasn’t defined by the amount goals he scored, he had poor stats post 2000 for the quality of the team he was in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 Paul Scholes was an outrageous footballer. It blows my mind that anyone would say hes overrated. If you want a lesson in awareness, touch, passing ability, finishing, movement, look no further. He was every bit as good as Xavi and Iniesta, he just never got to play in Peps Barcelona side. Hes my favourite non Newcastle player. Kids should watch Scholes clips if they want to learn what a midfielder should to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 Also, we cant spend our time (rightly) drooling about how good Bruno and Tonali are and then come in here talking about Scholes being overrated. Like it or not, Scholes was twice the player of our boys but let's see how close Tonali gets by the time hes 35 or so, he might not be far off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 9 minutes ago, STM said: Paul Scholes was an outrageous footballer. It blows my mind that anyone would say hes overrated. If you want a lesson in awareness, touch, passing ability, finishing, movement, look no further. He was every bit as good as Xavi and Iniesta, he just never got to play in Peps Barcelona side. Hes my favourite non Newcastle player. Kids should watch Scholes clips if they want to learn what a midfielder should to. fantastic at sucking toes as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 Scholes flaws showed when he didn’t have the ball, with it he was up there with the likes of Xavi (not Iniesta, that’s another step IMO). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 (edited) If we're doing Newcastle players, then here's the king of the overrated. Coloccini is 100% another one as well. Not his fault like, he was still a quality player and by far the best Ashley-era midfielder. But he's never been a player that gets in any Newcastle all-time XI unless you were making it up to 2021 and you were born in 2006 or something. Edited October 31, 2025 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 (edited) 17 minutes ago, STM said: Also, we cant spend our time (rightly) drooling about how good Bruno and Tonali are and then come in here talking about Scholes being overrated. Like it or not, Scholes was twice the player of our boys but let's see how close Tonali gets by the time hes 35 or so, he might not be far off. Nobody is calling Bruno and Tonali the best CM’s of their generation or going on like they’re the world’s best though, are they? I don’t remember Scholes getting so many plaudits at the time. If anything, underrated when I was growing up. I remember him being incredible on the ball, always scoring against us and how shit he was at tackling. Usually just laughed off by the commentators after he’d hacked someone. I feel with Scholes, since retirement. He gets better every year. On his current trajectory. He‘ll be considered better than Messi ever was in around 10 years time. Edited October 31, 2025 by Lush Vlad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 Tonali is as good as Scholes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Tonali is as good as Scholes. Errrrr. I dunno like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 26 minutes ago, Kimbo said: I think Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard all get hyped up by their supporters due to the argument about who’s best, to elevate them above the other two. Scholes is my preferred option of the three but it’s reasonable to say they all had major flaws and weren’t really among the best midfielders in the world. I would disagree. And I think they’ve all been named in team of the year, certainly gerrard and lampard have. Those two also finishing 2nd and third on ballon d’or. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 At different things of course, but he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 8 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: At different things of course, but he is. That’s the thing though, once you’re trying to compare on different attributes, it gets very woolly, and there’s perfect justification on both sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 Scholes suffers from a bit of Moussa Dembeleitis I think. Cited so often as underrated and actually incredible that they can no longer been seen as underrated and have probably tipped over into being overrated. Makelele and Carrick had the same thing happen to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 11 minutes ago, Rafalove said: I would disagree. And I think they’ve all been named in team of the year, certainly gerrard and lampard have. Those two also finishing 2nd and third on ballon d’or. I’m sure they have, they got a lot of plaudits. There’s subjectivity to this but the likes of Lampard and Gerrard didn’t run games the way players like Modric, Xavi, and Pirlo did. They racked up goals and assists and were better playing in free roles or behind the striker, but as actual CM’s I didn’t think either was particularly good. Gerrard in particular was often very wasteful with the ball IMO, which is a big negative to me. Scholes could run games from CM, but obviously had big flaws without the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 Always thought Shay Given was overrated, consistent but just nothing special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 9 minutes ago, Fenham Mag said: Always thought Shay Given was overrated, consistent but just nothing special. There are a lot of shite goalkeepers about. Having a keeper who is consistently an excellent shot stopper and doesn’t make regular ricks is massive and has been since football began I imagine. He’d still be a great keeper in the league today compared to loads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 2 minutes ago, gbandit said: There are a lot of shite goalkeepers about. Having a keeper who is consistently an excellent shot stopper and doesn’t make regular ricks is massive and has been since football began I imagine. He’d still be a great keeper in the league today compared to loads I totally agree but if I were to compare him and say Dubravka, there's not much in it for me other than sentiment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checko Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 1 hour ago, Kilcline said: Another barrel scraper but I always thought Adam Lallana was wildly overrated, never saw it with him at all but knew a few who thought he was Barcelona/Real Madrid level when he was at the scousers, thought he was crap and did very well to have the career he had for such a basic player With Adam Lallana though you've got to consider the intangibles he offers, like how well his name goes with the 'have a banana' refrain. "Let's all sing in the stand (Adam Lallana)" chanting that couldn't fail to make me happy if he played for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 Ward Prowse was incredibly overhyped for a long time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 47 minutes ago, Fenham Mag said: Always thought Shay Given was overrated, consistent but just nothing special. I think we just had bad keepers for long it was amazing to have a normal one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 1 hour ago, STM said: Also, we cant spend our time (rightly) drooling about how good Bruno and Tonali are and then come in here talking about Scholes being overrated. Like it or not, Scholes was twice the player of our boys but let's see how close Tonali gets by the time hes 35 or so, he might not be far off. Nah not having that. You're saying Scholes is 100% better than our boys? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 (edited) I find most deep-lying playmakers a tad over-rated as ballers. If they were so good technically, they would play further forward. Busquets, Rodri whoever. I love Toni Kroos, one of my favourite players. But.... Mesut Ozil is a more talented footballer. Tight spaces, touch, vision, Ozil is better. IMO the false 9 is the ultimate footballer. Because they do all of the most difficult things. It's the position for the complete forward. Edited October 31, 2025 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 31, 2025 Share Posted October 31, 2025 Agree Shay Given was over rated. Pope is way better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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