Now That's What I Call Transfer Rumours! 7

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

 

It looks like we will do business very late and look to see what's available rather than identifying particular players which iss not the best approach.

 

 

Can you please explain how you've come to this conclusion?

[LV]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

We'll definitely get in bodies on loan at the least imo.

 

I want us to avoid Burn type permanent signings and I think we will.

Ummm… why? He was an integral part of the reason we stayed up. 

[elbee909]

Don't fall for it.

[KaKa]

Just now, LV said:

Ummm… why? He was an integral part of the reason we stayed up. 

 

And is still playing well in the first team and will eventually be a great back up in multiple positions. And for just £13 million.

 

But you know ... never mind all that.

[SUPERTOON]

Anyone know if Howe was asked or made any mention about replacing Shelvey ?

[LV]

Just now, elbee909 said:

Don't fall for it.

Gah yeah you’re right. He landed me

[54]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Anyone know if Howe was asked or made any mention about replacing Shelvey ?

  

53 minutes ago, Rich said:

Few interesting bits from his presser:

• He feels we've got enough in midfield to cover Shelvey's absence currently but seems to be aware that another injury would put us in a bit of trouble. Effectively says Bruno will continue as the "6", with Longstaff as a backup. It's in the back of his mind that we'll now need another midfielder and we will seemingly move if one becomes available.

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, LV said:

Ummm… why? He was an integral part of the reason we stayed up. 

 

Think it's a fair point tbf. Perfect for where we were 8 months ago and having a few in the side like him and Targett is ok, if you add too many more we'll be a mid-table side. I don't see many positions we need with that sort of profile now, next step is clear upgrades l.

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Anyone know if Howe was asked or made any mention about replacing Shelvey ?

 

https://newcastle-online.org/topic/36984-eddie-howe-signs-new-long-term-contract/page/737/#comments

 

[Stifler]

16 minutes ago, KaKa said:

One name I really hope we are keeping an eye on for that wide forward role is Jonathan David.

 

Our good fried Paulo Fonseca (!) made a great start in Ligue 1 with Lille last weekend, and is using Jonathan David on the right hand side as a wide forward, and he had a double last week and an assist. He looked good there.

Me too, although I still think he’s a couple of years away from being ready for the Premier League though.

[Yorkie]

Still not remotely worried tbh. I will be if it's lunch time on deadline day and there's no obvious links.

 

As soon as it was clear that we weren't signing anyone else within such a timeframe that they would benefit from pre-season, it basically doesn't matter when they arrive.

 

The gains are greater if we sign one/two excellent players late on rather than one/two less impressive players early.

 

Imagine we'd signed someone like Ramsey or Cantwell early doors in January instead of holding out for Bruno.

 

I'm anxious for us to make signings but still not arsed when, just as long as we do. 

[KaKa]

7 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Me too, although I still think he’s a couple of years away from being ready for the Premier League though.

 

I think he comes in straight away scoring goals. His record is fantastic since coming to Europe, especially for his age.

[SUPERTOON]

I’m convinced we will get a least one in, I’m not sure we will get more than that however. 

[Joey47]

4 minutes ago, POOT 2.0 said:

Speed scroll....nothing....next page...speed scroll...saw tweet...back up and read...read forum comments after said tweet, for a bit...repeat speed scroll technique.

 

Not trying to be offensive to anyone of you beautiful bastards. It's just how my transfer reading has evolved  

 

Guilty of this myself 

[The College Dropout]

Burn is unlikely to be in our strongest XI within 10 months of signing.  His resale value is low. 
 

From what I understand FFP is the primary blocker for significant investment. Buying players for the short-term with low resale value isn’t the move unless they really push us up the league or have tremendous quality (Trippier). The £10-20m we spend chip away at our FFP budget. 
 

We had to do it in January for Wood (didn’t work so much) and Burn but we won’t do it going forward as a strategy. I think that was part of the thinking that delayed the Targett transfer. We probably want an upgrade relatively soon.  But at 26 and  consistent performances we could get our money back and some of our existing fullbacks could have decent sale value too. 
 

Not saying he’s a bad signing. He’s already achieved what he was brought in for. But going forward the strategy needs to change. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

25 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Can you please explain how you've come to this conclusion?

Do you really want to know how he’s come to any conclusion?

[Nine]

21 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Anyone know if Howe was asked or made any mention about replacing Shelvey ?

He was always going to be back up to Bruno at #6 this season, Howe has mentioned Longstaff can fill in there to. We just need to sign a front 2 CM now, wether it’s Maddison or Paqueta or anyone else.. key that we put some real goal/assist worthy quality in front of Bruno. 

[Nucasol]

29 minutes ago, Manxst said:

“It’s been difficult, of course. But I hope [those predicting my exit] are getting a slap now from your bosses, to say, ‘You haven’t done your job’. Whoever your source was, didn’t get it right.”
 

can’t see Howe ever saying the like

You can’t help but read it in his voice too which pisses you off even more.

[TRon]

5 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Burn is unlikely to be in our strongest XI within 10 months of signing.  His resale value is low. 
 

From what I understand FFP is the primary blocker for significant investment. Buying players for the short-term with low resale value isn’t the move unless they really push us up the league or have tremendous quality (Trippier). The £10-20m we spend chip away at our FFP budget. 
 

We had to do it in January for Wood (didn’t work so much) and Burn but we won’t do it going forward as a strategy. I think that was part of the thinking that delayed the Targett transfer. We probably want an upgrade relatively soon.  But at 26 and  consistent performances we could get our money back and some of our existing fullbacks could have decent sale value too. 
 

Not saying he’s a bad signing. He’s already achieved what he was brought in for. But going forward the strategy needs to change. 

 

 

We finished 11th last season, pretty sure a lot of that was down to Dan Burn and his rock solid defending. I would have though the higher placed finish would have paid for his transfer fee in itself, never mind his contribution towards us avoiding relegation.

[KaKa]

5 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

Do you really want to know how he’s come to any conclusion?

 

Fair point!

[Keegans Export]

32 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Do the remaining 4 games not count at the end of the season?

 

I'm sure Eddie Howe would prefer to have all of the key transfers done in time for the players to join pre-season tour, begin to get to grips with environment, tactics etc. 

 

From the information available... we are monitoring the market e.g. no formal bids have been made.

 

It is worrying and sub-optimal.

 

It looks like we will do business very late and look to see what's available rather than identifying particular players which iss not the best approach.

Well yeah but surely we're better aiming to get our primary targets, even if that means waiting, rather than either over-paying for them or just bringing in whoever we can now because ohmygodtheresonlyjustovertwoweeksleftandwedesperatelyneedsomebodyANYBODY

 

The rest of that post is just you getting worried by stuff you don't actually know - "From the information available..." and "It looks like we will..."

 

As I said, compare our transfer business to those around us (or those we expect to finish around us). Apart from West Ham who I think have recruited very well, I don't think we're being left behind by any of them. Do you?

[Kimbo]

I have concerns, and no I’m not panicking or bedwetting, and no I don’t think it’s like Mike Ashley all over again.

 

It won’t be the worst thing in the world if we fail to get a couple of attacking players, we can still finish 8th-10th, but I think there is an opportunity to finish top 6 this season and we will have missed it. The Maddison bid is still very strange to me, I don’t know if we’re playing a long game where we’ll bid again late in the window or in January. Surely they didn’t think they could get it done with the reported bids.

[The College Dropout]

25 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Can you please explain how you've come to this conclusion?

An attacker has been priority 1 all summer. It’s 12/8 they’ve been working on this for at least 3 months. Safe to say we haven’t landed our primary targets.  If you believe the reports FFP is front and centre of our thoughts, as is value for money, we have a limited amount we are willing to pay total and upfront. 
 

Similar to City’s backup left back search.  Whoever they sign isn’t first choice Cucurella was their man. That was their ideal candidate. They’ve got a limited budget and they’ll see what’s available for that price on the market that fits their team well enough. For a backup left back - that’s fine.  You take Haaland or Phillips - these were likely primary targets for crucial roles. Both are fair to great prices but in the past (Grealish, Walker etc.) they’ve proven they’ll do everything in their power to get their man. Rather than move down the list. 
 

 

 

Late in the window you either sign players teams are aREALLY want to sell or loan (Tielemans) or you pay over the odds for players teams really don’t want to seek (Fofana). Because there’s little time to get in a replacement  and teams have planned and prepared for the season with those players in mind. 
 

 

So take Ramos. Reports are Benfica are more than willing to sell him. He’s available. We won’t pay a premium to bring him in because we think he’s the perfect fit for the team.  Of course his profile will also need to fit well enough. 

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

[The College Dropout]

13 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

Well yeah but surely we're better aiming to get our primary targets, even if that means waiting, rather than either over-paying for them or just bringing in whoever we can now because ohmygodtheresonlyjustovertwoweeksleftandwedesperatelyneedsomebodyANYBODY

 

The rest of that post is just you getting worried by stuff you don't actually know - "From the information available..." and "It looks like we will..."

 

As I said, compare our transfer business to those around us (or those we expect to finish around us). Apart from West Ham who I think have recruited very well, I don't think we're being left behind by any of them. Do you?

At the time people thought VVD and Allison were overpayments. But they got the men required to take them to the next level. So no, I don’t mind overpaying for the right players. Sometimes even that isn’t possible.  In any case, we won’t do that. 
 

 

Robert and Bellamy were both back up signings.  We missed out on Zenden and Jeffers.  Sometimes a team NEEDS signings.  They proved to be transformational signings for us. I’m not against getting significantly better players in than what we have even if they aren’t primary targets. I’m confident we’ll sign attacking players (even on loan) and won’t keep our paint dry anyway. 
 

 

There’s potentially a big opportunity cost to keeping the powder dry and I don’t think we’ll do that.  It could be the difference between 11th and 7/8th and European football.