LV Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Cronky said: What I don't understand is the big discrepency between the two views of how FFP would affect us. A few months ago, there was comment from sources outside the club that, because we hadn't had losses in previous years, we could easily spend a huge amount - like £350m +. The reality for the club seems to be very different. Can anyone explain how this discrepency has arisen? I'm not having a go at the club, incidentally, I'd just like to know. There was a huge Swiss Ramble tweet a few days ago covering this. It said we effectively had around £40m left to spend this window IF we didn’t increase commercial income going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Willow said: What a condescending cunt He's always got something to say about my posts and i'm pretty sure he's outright insulted me in the past. He's a big lad, it's only a little sass. 8 minutes ago, KaKa said: No he was not. He was a temporary fix that would then ultimately replace Clarke once Botman was brought in. If we signed Botman in January, do you think we would've signed Burn in January? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 I do think he’s right on Burn mind. I think we tried to get Botman, couldn’t and then turned to Burn. I still think it turned out well though as we stayed up and now have extra quality depth (I.e not Lascelles) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Cronky said: What I don't understand is the big discrepency between the two views of how FFP would affect us. A few months ago, there was comment from sources outside the club that, because we hadn't had losses in previous years, we could easily spend a huge amount - like £350m +. The reality for the club seems to be very different. Can anyone explain how this discrepency has arisen? I'm not having a go at the club, incidentally, I'd just like to know. I think profit and sustainability comes into it as well as FFP. There was a decent Swiss Ramble thread on it recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, LV said: I do think he’s right on Burn mind. I think we tried to get Botman, couldn’t and then turned to Burn. I still think it turned out well though as we stayed up and now have extra quality depth (I.e not Lascelles) Pretty sure we turned to Carlos after Botman and then Burn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: You honestly believe Dan Burn was Botman's replacement? Dan Burn and Targett were signed because our defence was absolutely atrocious - we needed players in. Botman was signed because we've clearly identified him as a massive talent for a great price. We needed a left footed CB according to Howe. He wanted one asap. He wanted Botman. That fell through, so he went to plan B. A short-term fix. Same question: Do you think we sign Burn if the Botman deal didn't fall through? 9 minutes ago, Cronky said: What I don't understand is the big discrepency between the two views of how FFP would affect us. A few months ago, there was comment from sources outside the club that, because we hadn't had losses in previous years, we could easily spend a huge amount - like £350m +. The reality for the club seems to be very different. Can anyone explain how this discrepency has arisen? I'm not having a go at the club, incidentally, I'd just like to know. https://theathletic.com/3295092/2022/05/07/newcastle-and-ffp-why-they-wont-become-the-new-manchester-city-overnight/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Just now, et tu brute said: Pretty sure we turned to Carlos after Botman and then Burn We wanted both according to your favourite people, the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, et tu brute said: Pretty sure we turned to Carlos after Botman and then Burn I think you're right. Which makes Dan Burn plan C. Carlos was another short-ish term solution because of his age. That's why we didn't go back in for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Pretty sure we turned to Carlos after Botman and then Burn Yeah think you’re right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Just now, SUPERTOON said: We wanted both according to your favourite people, the media. Pretty sure there was no links to Carlos until after the initial bid for Botman had been knocked back. We may have wanted both though still as we signed Burn and Botman (though different windows obviously) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, LV said: I do think he’s right on Burn mind. I think we tried to get Botman, couldn’t and then turned to Burn. I still think it turned out well though as we stayed up and now have extra quality depth (I.e not Lascelles) Yes, I never said it hasn't worked. I just said we need to stop doing that going forward. People took that as severe criticism of Dan Burn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Some weird revisionism going on considering it was only 7 months ago. The plan was Carlos and Botman, we then went for Burn and now we have Botman. If anything it all points to Burn having been the alternative to Carlos, which is absolutely fine. Not even sure what the issue is considering Burn was cheap and has been outstanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: He's always got something to say about my posts and i'm pretty sure he's outright insulted me in the past. He's a big lad, it's only a little sass. If we signed Botman in January, do you think we would've signed Burn in January? Obviously not because Clarke was still around. He was a sound purchase having not got Botman at the time that could slide into Clarke's backup spot in the summer. Edited August 12, 2022 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, et tu brute said: Pretty sure there was no links to Carlos until after the initial bid for Botman had been knocked back. We may have wanted both though still as we signed Burn and Botman (though different windows obviously) Yeah I think it was Ornstein saying we wanted both, I could be wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, Shearergol said: You never know, perhaps the club had Burn in mind as a squad player after we signed Botman? Little bit unfair to lump him in the same sentence as Wood, who was a clear panic buy. Is the plan to eventually play Burn and Botman together? Some would say you can't have two l footed center backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 This is not some big swipe at beloved Dan Burn. Just simply. As of summer 22 we aren't looking to sign players for the short-term in age and ability with low resale value. Because it chips away at FFP. Also, however you look at it. I am right, Dan Burn was a Plan B at best. We went back for Plan A and got him. We now have tremendous depth and ability at CB... and little depth and ability in attacking positions. With cost/FFP being part of the reason we don't have players in place already. We haven't signed any players so far who haven't gone straight into the XI (after some bedding in). We wouldn't have signed beloved Dan if Botman came earlier. @KaKa is another one who loves to comment and contradict my posts. He's being slow and i've work to do. THINK KAKA - THINK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, rebelrouser said: Is the plan to eventually play Burn and Botman together? Some would say you can't have two l footed center backs. Plenty of teams play with two right footers, don't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Can't believe this shite Ronaldo tribute act is still going strong this many years later, mind. Absolutely fucking painful reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: This is not some big swipe at beloved Dan Burn. Just simply. As of summer 22 we aren't looking to sign players for the short-term in age and ability with low resale value. Because it chips away at FFP. Also, however you look at it. I am right, Dan Burn was a Plan B at best. We went back for Plan A and got him. We now have tremendous depth and ability at CB... and little depth and ability in attacking positions. With cost/FFP being part of the reason we don't have players in place already. We haven't signed any players so far who haven't gone straight into the XI (after some bedding in). We wouldn't have signed beloved Dan if Botman came earlier. @KaKa is another one who loves to comment and contradict my posts. He's being slow and i've work to do. THINK KAKA - THINK. My goodness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Yes, I never said it hasn't worked. I just said we need to stop doing that going forward. People took that as severe criticism of Dan Burn. It's not that it's criticism or Burn, it's just a weird way of looking at his signing. He improves our squad depth immeasurably in a position we were very poor in with not much room for growth - this applies both before and after Botman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Woosh...bloody hell another day gone, where does the time go? Oh yeah, it was spent going round in circles for the umpteenth day in a row with TCD. The club finds itself in that tricky position of making that leap to top 8, but not having the revenue/sponsorship/squad resale value to make the leap so we're being smart in the transfer market. Everyone has made some good points, i'm as anxious as anyone for new signings to bolster the front line, basically it comes down to trust. I trust the key people to get there, even if it's later than we'd all prefer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Rich said: Can't believe this shite Ronaldo tribute act is still going strong this many years later, mind. Absolutely fucking painful reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Rolando Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, KaKa said: No he was not. He was a temporary fix that would then ultimately replace Clarke once Botman was brought in. 16 minutes ago, KaKa said: Clarke 16 minutes ago, KaKa said: Clarke's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Heard a completely random rumour about a swap deal for Fede/De Tomas, throwing it in here because why not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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