PauloGeordio Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Mazzy said: Crazy how one (fairly reputable) source can say its all verbally agreed for Kone and then another saying that he's only on the shortlist but not a "hot target". Its absolutely ridiculous ? Guesswork! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Mazzy said: Crazy how one (fairly reputable) source can say its all verbally agreed for Kone and then another saying that he's only on the shortlist but not a "hot target". Its absolutely ridiculous ? Basically summed up the whole transfer window there ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: We spent £63m on Isak alone last summer. I fail to see how we've got less to spend this year considering the Sela and Champions League income we've just brought in. Champions League income could be low to begin but you still make a valid point. Doesn't make sense our budget would drop that much when revenue is actually increasing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, rebelrouser said: Champions League income could be low to begin but you still make a valid point. Doesn't make sense our budget would drop that much when revenue is actually increasing. I’m going with it hasn’t dropped! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mazzy said: Crazy how one (fairly reputable) source can say its all verbally agreed for Kone and then another saying that he's only on the shortlist but not a "hot target". Its absolutely ridiculous ? Could be that they'd agreed terms with his reps in case the Thuram deal fell through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Kone was pretty much my number one choice for our midfield. I think €40 million is a more than fair price too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Aside from the "Never tell the sell how much money you have" thoughths, Im thinking the new "low" budget is whats left over after they have Dom Szlob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Gawalls said: Didn’t somebody post that £75m is misleading because say we buy somebody for £60m over 5 years then that’s only £12m out of the £75m kitty? I think that was wishful thinking more than anything. While I agree with Ashworth that the level we have been spending at is unsustainable, if we can buy a LB, RCB, CM x2 and a RM at the right quality and age to develop then this might be the last window where we have to buy so many anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 4 hours ago, PauloGeordio said: I’m going with it hasn’t dropped! Ffp is based on a rolling three year basis and we’ve spent more now with last two windows so that will be why we have less (if we do). Said it a few times now - these owners have a long term plan they don’t seem to deviate from so I feel a lot of people will be hugely disappointed at the end of this window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Matt1892 said: I think that was wishful thinking more than anything. While I agree with Ashworth that the level we have been spending at is unsustainable, if we can buy a LB, RCB, CM x2 and a RM at the right quality and age to develop then this might be the last window where we have to buy so many anyway. So you want just the five players then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, Gawalls said: So you want just the five players then? This window? Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Gawalls said: Ffp is based on a rolling three year basis and we’ve spent more now with last two windows so that will be why we have less (if we do). Said it a few times now - these owners have a long term plan they don’t seem to deviate from so I feel a lot of people will be hugely disappointed at the end of this window. 100% The only way around some fairly straightforward mathematics is to do what Chelsea have done and offer ridiculously long contracts to players to amortise the fees over a long period. Our owners aren’t that stupid. The CL money bonanza also isn’t quite the bonanza many are expecting, if the owners have made the sensible calculation that we might go out in the group stage. Our income is still far lower than the Sky Six. It’ll take a few years to justify the ramping up of sponsorship money. Also - and this is one quite a few don’t seem to want to accept - the PIF having vast cash reserves doesn’t necessarily mean that they fancy pouring a chunk of it into NUFC for shits and giggles. I think they see this as an investment - and investments need returns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Also - and this is one quite a few don’t seem to want to accept - the PIF having vast cash reserves doesn’t necessarily mean that they fancy pouring a chunk of it into NUFC for shits and giggles. I think they see this as an investment - and investments need returns. I'm not sure this is entirely accurate. Think the idea is that by 2030 they want to have a lot of very valuable, profitable assets and are willing to burn through a lot of their cash in the meantime to make sure those assets are top notch. I think a lot of it probably comes down to Ashworth's philosophy. Just don't get the feeling that he wants a bunch of high profile, expensive signings. Isaks and Botmans all the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Gawalls said: Ffp is based on a rolling three year basis and we’ve spent more now with last two windows so that will be why we have less (if we do). Said it a few times now - these owners have a long term plan they don’t seem to deviate from so I feel a lot of people will be hugely disappointed at the end of this window. 19/20 net spend €37.26m, 20/21 €39m, 21/22 €136m, 22/23 €172m....according to transfermarkt. Not sure how to apply those numbers and our revenue has been increasing. As someone else mentioned the transfer fee is amortized over the life of the contract and selling a player, even for less than you initially paid for him, can result in net gains for ffp purposes. Ryan Fraser €8m, Jamal Lewis €8m, Matt Ritchie €1.8m, Jamal Lascalles €7 may all be headed out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 The biggest thing holding us back is the lack of saleable players that were here pre takeover that we could look to sell to help with FPP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: The biggest thing holding us back is the lack of saleable players that were here pre takeover that we could look to sell to help with FPP. Aye, we have no assets that we can sell that are actually worth anything. At least if we are lucky we might get their wages off the book so we are not stranded with them until the contract runs out. It will give us something at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 57 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: 100% The only way around some fairly straightforward mathematics is to do what Chelsea have done and offer ridiculously long contracts to players to amortise the fees over a long period. Our owners aren’t that stupid. The CL money bonanza also isn’t quite the bonanza many are expecting, if the owners have made the sensible calculation that we might go out in the group stage. Our income is still far lower than the Sky Six. It’ll take a few years to justify the ramping up of sponsorship money. Also - and this is one quite a few don’t seem to want to accept - the PIF having vast cash reserves doesn’t necessarily mean that they fancy pouring a chunk of it into NUFC for shits and giggles. I think they see this as an investment - and investments need returns. Nah, they want glory. To be the best. On and off the pitch. No malo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Yep and just by how much they’re paying Ronaldo, Benzema and Kante shows that if allowed we’d spend whatever it takes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Shak said: I'm not sure this is entirely accurate. Think the idea is that by 2030 they want to have a lot of very valuable, profitable assets and are willing to burn through a lot of their cash in the meantime to make sure those assets are top notch. I think a lot of it probably comes down to Ashworth's philosophy. Just don't get the feeling that he wants a bunch of high profile, expensive signings. Isaks and Botmans all the way. Agree. I think they'd happily blow everyone out of the water with transfer fees and wages given half a chance if it meant we'd be winning titles within a year or two. The ROI would take care of itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, worthy said: Aye, we have no assets that we can sell that are actually worth anything. At least if we are lucky we might get their wages off the book so we are not stranded with them until the contract runs out. It will give us something at least. What is the minimum offer you would accept for our key players? Pope - 40 mill Trippier - 30 mill Schar - 20 mill Botman - 80 mill Burn - 20 mill Targett - 20 mill Bruno - 110 mill Joelinton - 80 mill Willock - 50 mill Longstaff - 30 mill ASM - 30 mill Almiron - 30 mill Gordan - 40 mill Murphy - 20 mill Isak - 100 mill Wilson - 40 mill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Think Wilson and Joelinton are too high. Isak not high enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Evaluations are too high, but I agree. Wouldn’t sell. Good way to saying piss off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE28 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Shak said: Think Wilson and Joelinton are too high. Isak not high enough. It’s not what you think they’re worth though. It’s what you would accept for them. I don’t think Joelinton is worth 80 million but you’d have to get pretty close to that to get me to sell. We’re going in a fuck off position if we don’t want to sell and think we should take advantage of that as much as we can Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I’d be disappointed to sell Miggy, ASM or Longstaff for 30. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejaxer Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, aussiemag said: What is the minimum offer you would accept for our key players? Pope - 40 mill Trippier - 30 mill Schar - 20 mill Botman - 80 mill Burn - 20 mill Targett - 20 mill Bruno - 110 mill Joelinton - 80 mill Willock - 50 mill Longstaff - 30 mill ASM - 30 mill Almiron - 30 mill Gordan - 40 mill Murphy - 20 mill Isak - 100 mill Wilson - 40 mill 30m for ASM? you okay there? No less than 50, maybe 45. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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