Smal Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Just now, WilliamPS said: Arsenal may well be looking at a DM, for reasons… They are linked with Rice in the Times today - but that might be just because they’re playing each other. They've been linked with him for a while and it's his most likely destination imo. He'd be a great fit there and could replace Partey or Xhaka in their XI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Skeletor said: If we do move for Declan Rice I'll be fascinated to see how it breaks down financially. Hopefully not just a Maddison style two bids, fail to budge and nothing happens situation. He's gonna cost huge money and I just don't see it happening. I agree. In many ways he’s the perfect signing for us but the transfer fee and wages would be astronomical. He’d want way higher than our highest paid player and that then knocks everything out of kilter. I’m not saying there’s no chance it happens but I see him going Arsenal or Chelsea (his boyhood club) or maybe even City? I think we will probably opt to spend 35-50 on a midfielder (e.g Edson Alvarez at Ajax) allowing us more financial room to sign quality in several other positions. Either way though Champions league qualification really does make the summer very interested indeed. Edited April 15, 2023 by ExiledGeordie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 17 hours ago, timeEd32 said: There aren't many worse situations for a young player than Chelsea this season. Dysfunction, three managers, and tons of talent to compete with for regular playing time. True, Chelsea is a mess. But would he be more than a rotation option in our team? He is not better than Willock/Joelinton or Bruno, so would fight for the third spot with Longstaff, who has clear weaknesses, but is using 30-40 million on Gallagher the best option to upgrade Longstaff? Not sure about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 12 minutes ago, Smal said: They've been linked with him for a while and it's his most likely destination imo. He'd be a great fit there and could replace Partey or Xhaka in their XI. I don't think he'd fit into Arsenal's style at all. Rice has his qualities, but I don't think he's a great passer of the ball, and doesn't seem to go in for the short, quick interchanges that Arsenal like. And the Arsenal midfield has Partey, Xhaka, Jorginho, and Odegaard, with Smith-Rowe coming through. Unless they have him in mind as a defender, I don't see any space for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 If we sign Rice, then we'd have legitimately signed an Ant and a Dec. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Just now, elbee909 said: If we sign Rice, then we'd have legitimately signed an Ant and a Dec. Let’s get ready to rumble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, Cronky said: I don't think he'd fit into Arsenal's style at all. Rice has his qualities, but I don't think he's a great passer of the ball, and doesn't seem to go in for the short, quick interchanges that Arsenal like. And the Arsenal midfield has Partey, Xhaka, Jorginho, and Odegaard, with Smith-Rowe coming through. Unless they have him in mind as a defender, I don't see any space for him. He's pretty much as good at passing as Partey is imo and Arteta is a good coach so will improve him further. Rice has never had a particularly amazing coach in his career, so there'll be loads of room for improvement with him. His passing is underrated anyway because we don't see the best of him for England - he has an 87% completion rate despite attempting a lot of medium and long passes. A club like Arsenal will probably be desperate to phase Partey out. It's not good for the brand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 We’re not signing Rice. We need around half a dozen quality players, including around 3 first teamers. Even if we could sign him, you could probably get Thuram/Ugarte, Pedro, and a good left back for what he would cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Just now, Kimbo said: We’re not signing Rice. We need around half a dozen quality players, including around 3 first teamers. Even if we could sign him, you could probably get Thuram/Ugarte, Pedro, and a good left back for what he would cost. Exactly. We’ve scouted smart so far and avoided the trappings of headline signings. Long may it continue as far as I’m concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Kimbo said: We’re not signing Rice. We need around half a dozen quality players, including around 3 first teamers. Even if we could sign him, you could probably get Thuram/Ugarte, Pedro, and a good left back for what he would cost. Aye, agree 100%. 90/100 million could be much better spent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Although rice would be ace and would sort out any midfield issues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 1 hour ago, buzza said: Aye, agree 100%. 90/100 million could be much better spent 100m is not too much if he has the chance to become our Keane/Vieira/Essien. Arguably the most important position on the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Displayname said: 100m is not too much if he has the chance to become our Keane/Vieira/Essien. Arguably the most important position on the field. Aye, chuck Maddison alongside him as well £150 million well spent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 It's not about whether £100m is too much for him as a player. It's a case of if spending that amount then means we don't sign the players we need in other positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, Ben said: Aye, chuck Maddison alongside him as well £150 million well spent. Was that supposed to be funny? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 6 hours ago, Displayname said: Was that supposed to be funny? Eh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 (edited) On 14/04/2023 at 10:35, Milanista said: Brozovic from Inter could be gotten for very cheap, especially if Inter don't get CL football, as they are in financial crisis, and everyone knows it--so buyers are waiting for their owner to admit defeat before putting in bids. It could be a fire-sale there. Brozovic is one of the most underrated CDMs in the world. I think there's a big cultural difference between Italy and England how players like him are viewed by both fans and clubs. Italians see a really good mature player who'll be useful for couple of seasons, the English see he's +30 and cross his name from the list due to being only a short term fix with no resale value. Maybe Casemiro being such a huge hit will change the mentality of some clubs in England too. Edited April 15, 2023 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Could probably buy foreign players who are just as good but having a core of an England team also gives a lot of sway with the FA. Being influential off the pitch is nearly as important as having success on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, Pata said: I think there's a big cultural difference between Italy and England how players like him are viewed by both fans and clubs. Italians see a really good mature player who'll be useful for couple of seasons, the English see he's +30 and cross his name from the list due to being only a short term fix with no resale value. Maybe Casemiro being such a huge hit will change the mentality of some clubs in England too. The reverse was true in the ‘90s - it’s less a cultural difference, and more a financial one. There’s a lot more money in English football today, so the financial risk of a bad signing is greater. This was also the case in the ‘90s when the money league was Serie A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 Exactly. If AC/inter had more money a 37 year old Dzeko wouldn't be getting games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: The reverse was true in the ‘90s - it’s less a cultural difference, and more a financial one. There’s a lot more money in English football today, so the financial risk of a bad signing is greater. This was also the case in the ‘90s when the money league was Serie A. You could be right but I'm not sure if I agree on the level of financial risk, feel like signing a 30 year old Brozovic for £15-20m is less of a risk than £50m on some kid from Ligue 1, Bundesliga or Eredivisie. Edited April 15, 2023 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Pata said: You could be right but I'm not sure if I agree on the level of financial risk, feel like signing a 30 year old Brozovic for £15-20m is less of a risk than £50m on some kid from Ligue 1, Bundesliga or Eredivisie. I agree with you - but I get the distinct impression the PL money men don’t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I agree with you - but I get the distinct impression the PL money men don’t And that is why I suggested it to be a cultural difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 15, 2023 Share Posted April 15, 2023 I hope we look at a proper old head (pref one who’s played tons of European football) to rotate into the midfield - matches like today where I feel we lack a bit of leadership / accountability. Outside of Trippier I think we sometimes lack that. Wilson has it imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 We could have done with a bigger presence in midfield like Declan Rice yesterday. Then again, so could have Arsenal in the second half at Anfield last week. Before the games, I wouldn't have thought us or them could be overrun that badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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