Paully Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Oh dear! https://www.facebook.com/paddypower/videos/10154778794004914/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37924448 The match that pitted white players against black players In 1979 West Bromwich Albion were looking for an idea for a benefit match for one of their longest serving players, Len Cantello. Somebody, we don't know who, came up with the idea of a match pitting black players against white players. Yes, really: blacks v whites, writes Adrian Chiles. It sounds somewhere between somewhat odd and downright appalling now, doesn't it? At the time, as I recall, it felt a rather progressive thing to do. After all we - I'm a lifelong West Brom fan - led the way in fielding black players. It seemed rather logical to push the envelope a little further and get a whole team together. Behind closed doors, in the decidedly peculiar world of the training ground, this kind of thing had been going on for a while. "In five-a-sides we used to have the Jocks and the blacks versus the English," remembers Cyrille Regis, one of the stars of the black team. "I think the idea may have sprung naturally from that." Cyrille Regis, Brendon Batson and Laurie Cunningham were our magnificent trio of black players, dubbed - again not in the best possible taste - The Three Degrees. They remember the game with pride and great fondness. Batson recalls no controversy. "Nobody ever rang us up and said, 'Do you realise the implication?' Nothing at all. It was fun. In that dressing room it was just great fun." And all the black players I've spoken to about that day talk with feeling about that dressing room. Don't forget, all their lives they'd been outnumbered. Now, for one match only, they had a room of their own. Having been an obsessed teenage fan in the 70s, I thought I knew all I needed to know about what my heroes went through in that era. How wrong I was. I've spoken to many of the players and I've been reminded of how simply awful it was, and bewilderingly complex too. It made you angry... and go, 'Right we're gonna show you how good we are' The horror of thousands of people chanting racial abuse, with bananas raining down on the pitch, is straightforward enough to appreciate. Although I found the sheer in-your-face loathing quite painful to hear the players recall. Bob Hazell and George Berry, brought in from Wolverhampton Wanderers for the match, are clear: don't believe any player who says they could shut it out. "You heard everything, trust me. You heard everything," says Hazell with feeling. Berry nods, "Every racial chant, you definitely heard. But only if you took it on board and let it affect you did it become a negative." And there lay the trick of it - to take the abuse, and see it only as motivation to spur you on. "It made you angry but we learned to channel the anger and motivation," says Regis, "and go, 'Right we're gonna show you how good we are.' And that was our way of dealing with our anger, to think how we could hurt them. You did it with your ability." The superhuman mental strength required of these men only now really comes home to me. I share a troubling thought with Regis and Batson: "No disrespect - you're my boyhood heroes after all," I say, "but it strikes me that for every one of you, there were perhaps three others who were just as good as you, if not better, but didn't have the mental strength to survive the abuse." "One hundred per cent," says Regis sombrely. "No question," agrees Batson. You'd have hoped and assumed that what our black heroes went through would have educated West Brom fans in the evils of racism. Well it did, and it didn't. It's not quite that simple. I once interviewed Simon Darby, then in charge of the British National Party in the West Midlands. I knew he was an Albion fan so I asked him who his all-time favourite player was. "Cyrille Regis," he said immediately. He saw me looking puzzled, and what he said next still chills me. "Just because I have him as a hero doesn't mean I want my grandchildren to be black." So you could love our black players, and sing their names, but still hold decidedly unsavoury views about them. When I tell George Berry this story, he recalls playing for Wolves at West Brom. "I'm marking Cyrille on the near post at a corner. And all I can hear from this West Brom fan behind the goal is, 'You black bastard, fucking get back up the tree, you fucking golliwog.' And I'm marking Cyrille Regis! I just said to this bloke doing the shouting, 'Who are you talking to? Me or Cyrille?' Cyrille just shook his head." In that West Brom crowd of course, there would have been the odd black fan. Talking to our supporters from the time has really brought home to me what black fans went through. The players, on the pitch at least, were only outnumbered 10 or 20 to one. For black fans it would have been tens of thousands to one. "I don't know how they did it," says Regis. "I really don't." Very few black fans braved it. One of them was Bernie Noel, a friend of mine. He runs gyms in prisons - a real tough guy. His arms are the girth of my legs. He describes the horror of the moment the fans around him used to start chanting racial abuse. "You'd feel part of a family enjoying all manner of songs, chants and boisterous activity together. They start making monkey chants and chanting 'You black bastard' to opposing players or fans. At those times you couldn't feel more alone." Bernie wouldn't go back to those days but he does have an interesting take on how far we've come, which may not be as far as we like to think. "I sometimes wonder if I preferred it back in the 70s." "Eh?" "Because then," he explains carefully, "you knew who the racists were - they were shouting their heads off. Now I look around and think, well some of you are still thinking those things but I don't know who you are anymore." So many stories from the era, remarkably really, remain untold. Ian Wright and Dion Dublin are from the angrier generation of players that followed Regis, Cunningham and Batson. "We owe them so much," says Wright. "They had to turn the other cheek. They were Martin Luther King. I was more Malcolm X." We meet at Crystal Palace, where Eric Cantona infamously lost his temper and karate-kicked someone in the crowd who was yelling abuse at him. "I tell you," says Wright, as we walk past the spot where it happened, "any black player watching Cantona do that would have wondered how they stopped themselves doing the same thing. But imagine any of them back in the day, with all the abuse they got, jumping into the crowd. Do you think they would be playing football? They would have been locked up for that." Good point. But on this occasion, Wright is wrong. When I relay what he said to George Berry, he looks half-sheepish, half-proud and says, "I did it." It turns out Berry did a Cantona a good 20 years before Eric got round to it. George had made a mistake that led to Watford scoring in a cup tie against Wolves at Molineux. As he was coming off the pitch a Wolves fan started yelling at him. "One of our own fans was calling me a black bastard and a fucking disgrace to the club and saying 'Fuck off back to your country' and 'You're a coon' and the whole lot. "As I started to walk up the tunnel at Molineux, I thought: 'I ain't taking that.' So I walked back down the tunnel and back up the track and I confronted him. Some of his mates started laughing. That was it - I lost it. I jumped in the crowd, gave him a right hook, and got arrested." I think we can safely say George Berry would have made a rotten Martin Luther King, but who can blame him? The really amazing thing is that it was all hushed up. George wasn't charged, the fan's complaints, if he made any, apparently fell on deaf ears, and the TV footage, Berry was told later, was quietly lost. My hunch is that the whole incident was considered too incendiary for words and it would be much better to pretend it had never happened. I applaud the cover up. Just like our blacks v whites match, it feels quite wrong now, but might well have been the best thing to do in the worst of times. The match itself, by the way, finished 3-2 to the black team. Lots of black fans turned up to watch. There was no trouble whatsoever. A good day was had by all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/22/ali-dia-story-20-years-on-southampton-souness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Didn't know Dia had played for Gateshead after leaving Saints, thought he'd just disappeared. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2016/nov/22/fk-lokomotiv-djuricic-serbian-open-goal-video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 The fuck is the point of that keeper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2016/nov/22/fk-lokomotiv-djuricic-serbian-open-goal-video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Didn't know Dia had played for Gateshead after leaving Saints, thought he'd just disappeared. Saw him play for the Heed; think it was against Hednesford Town in/around that time they had that cup run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joeyt Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Looks like Wilfried Zaha is going to choose to play for Ivory Coast because he's miffed he hasn't been called up recently for England (He's got 2 England caps in friendly matches in the past). Could mean Pards is without him for a month if he goes to the AFCON. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Serge Aurier has been banned from entering Britain ahead of PSG's match with Arsenal. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38069036 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 It's about time we stopped letting criminals into are country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 WHY DID THEY LET THE REST OF THEM IN?! ITZ A DISGRACE #SAVEOURHEROES Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 What did he do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Chinned a Bizzie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 What did he do? Duz it matter? enuf of them here taking are jobs as it is!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I'm not sure I understand the logic that he should be presumed innocent even once found guilty . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 From Mediawatch ‘I must be honest; I wasn’t sure about Marcos Alonso as Chelsea’s left-back, but that was probably due to having watched Ashley Cole for a number of seasons.’ Garth Crooks: Suspicious of all left-backs who are not Ashley Cole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3962538/Police-red-alert-amid-fears-Feyenoord-hooligans-target-Manchester-United-fans.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Neymar in gargantuan cunt shocker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Northern Ireland and Wales being charged by FIFA for rememberance day stuff too (no player had a poppy on just a black armband) including Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Marmoset Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Weeey I actually agree with them that the players shouldnt be wearing the poppy but if its true about supporters in the crowd wearing one being part of the charge, seems very heavy handed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Northern Ireland and Wales being charged by FIFA for rememberance day stuff too (no player had a poppy on just a black armband) including :lol: Fucking hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Get in! Fucking hilarious. I'm coming round to these FIFA lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Mint Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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