Alexander Isak - International C*nt

[toon25]

8 minutes ago, Ilovetoon8788 said:

based on howe's comment. it's fairly certain he won't start again for us in the league and he is preparing for life w/o Isak. its a matter of who he joins. i think it will be liverpool. sucks. but ya.

 

 

Eh?

 

Eddie literally said he hopes he stays 

[Palestoon]

I hope the club are keeping their emotions out of it, and ignoring the media circus. Someone mentioned in this thread earlier, that we are getting a taste of dealing for players at the highest level. Made up stories, in the news everyday, questions at every press conference. Its all part of the process. The reality is that when all of the smoke clears, Newcastle United hold all of the cards.

Everything we're seeing now is just Isaks agent playing his best card in his hand. And its really not much. I hope Yasir, Eddie (and Whoever else is left on this shambles of a board of directors) are keeping a level head.

 

First thing we need to decide as a club: Is their any amount of money we could get for Isak at this point in the summer that would make it a net positive for the club despite all of the negatives (Loss of main striker, late in the window, staff not in place, optics of being forced to sell to a rival).

 

If the answer is No, let Isak and his people know he wont be sold this summer for any price, get back in training and we can work out a bumper contract for you to leave for a reasonable fee next summer with everyones best interests in tact.

 

If we decide yes, their is a number that makes it worth it for us, then communicate that number to his agent along with any conditions we have (deadline, replacement brought in first etc.). No negotiations, no talks, meet the demands or fuck off. If they meet the asking price, great. If they dont, we expect you back in training, and again, we can work out something for you to leave next year.

 

The point being, we have no need to capitulate to anyone. We have 3 years left on his contract. Isak by all accounts is a good egg, a good professional, and still gets along with the manager and staff. If no deal comes off, he'll be reintegrated, and carry on business as usual. He'll start banging in the goals, and this whole saga will be behind us and the focus will be on the season. Their is zero chance he doesn't attack this season 100 percent if he's forced to stay. He's a 26 year old in the prime of his career, playing champions league football in a world cup year  I have no doubt everyone will handle it professionally once the bullets start to fly for real.

 

In the meantime, bring in a few players, get in a director of football, a new CEO, lets have a great season and then reassess the situation at the beginning of the summer. If its true that Isak is just frustrated with the lack of ambition, lack of direction and broken promises, then lets see if a new set up changes any of that. If hes happy, great, sign a new long term contract. If he still wants to leave, fine, find him a suitor preferably outside of England and re-invest the money.

 

The point is, we are in strong position, and shouldn't let the pressure, our feelings, or fear push us into making a hasty decision. Although im not confident the current set up is capable of that.....  

[duo]

 

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Reject any offer imo, we aren’t going to be able to replace him. 

If PIF are serious about their ambition for us they cannot sell him to Liverpool.  As a club we will look very weak especially after they poached Ekitike as well.  

[toon25]

2 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

Their first bid is 100% going to be derisory, they think they hold the cards because Isak has thrown a strop and will get him on the cheap, full package of £120m but after add-ons and they can shove it.

 

They don't have the brass to open negotiations, that's why the whole thing has been so cloak and dagger.

 

Agreed. It'll be 'up-to' 120. A 'british record', which will be fauned over by the press

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, duo said:

 

If PIF are serious about their ambition for us they cannot sell him to Liverpool.  As a club we will look very weak especially after they poached Ekitike as well.  

I agree, but I mean at this stage we can’t sell him at all because we can’t replace him this summer.

[duo]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

I agree, but I mean at this stage we can’t sell him at all because we can’t replace him this summer.

Well there's that as well.  PIF just to demonstrate we are not to be pushed around.  

[Sergio]

16 minutes ago, AmericanLooneyToon said:

An NFL player Miles Garrett told his team that he wanted to go to a winning team and wouldn't sign a contract under any circumstances and demanded to be traded.

 

The team said they had zero interest in trading him. A few weeks later after all types of rumors he signed a four year extension for 160 million with the same team and all the animosity completely ended.

 

Point is that just because he wants to leave, doesn't mean it can't be resolved. I would tell him that he has to wait for at least a year if he is that desperate because we hold all the cards. 

NFL teams can fine their players 50k per day they refuse to train, no? 

Wish it was a rule that could be used over here for players with contract years remaining... 

[Menace]

£120M considering about £15M of that is going to Sociedad is an absolute joke btw. We should be aiming for £160M.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, duo said:

Well there's that as well.  PIF just to demonstrate we are not to be pushed around.  

That’s what we need them to do. Feel like we are out of realistic options to replace him with, this late in the window.

[Whitley mag]

Would be unforgivable to sell him without a replacement in first. The incompetence on display this summer makes this the most likely outcome though unfortunately.

[Jeremiah Dixon]

3 minutes ago, Palestoon said:

I hope the club are keeping their emotions out of it, and ignoring the media circus. Someone mentioned in this thread earlier, that we are getting a taste of dealing for players at the highest level. Made up stories, in the news everyday, questions at every press conference. Its all part of the process. The reality is that when all of the smoke clears, Newcastle United hold all of the cards.

Everything we're seeing now is just Isaks agent playing his best card in his hand. And its really not much. I hope Yasir, Eddie (and Whoever else is left on this shambles of a board of directors) are keeping a level head.

 

First thing we need to decide as a club: Is their any amount of money we could get for Isak at this point in the summer that would make it a net positive for the club despite all of the negatives (Loss of main striker, late in the window, staff not in place, optics of being forced to sell to a rival).

 

If the answer is No, let Isak and his people know he wont be sold this summer for any price, get back in training and we can work out a bumper contract for you to leave for a reasonable fee next summer with everyones best interests in tact.

 

If we decide yes, their is a number that makes it worth it for us, then communicate that number to his agent along with any conditions we have (deadline, replacement brought in first etc.). No negotiations, no talks, meet the demands or fuck off. If they meet the asking price, great. If they dont, we expect you back in training, and again, we can work out something for you to leave next year.

 

The point being, we have no need to capitulate to anyone. We have 3 years left on his contract. Isak by all accounts is a good egg, a good professional, and still gets along with the manager and staff. If no deal comes off, he'll be reintegrated, and carry on business as usual. He'll start banging in the goals, and this whole saga will be behind us and the focus will be on the season. Their is zero chance he doesn't attack this season 100 percent if he's forced to stay. He's a 26 year old in the prime of his career, playing champions league football in a world cup year  I have no doubt everyone will handle it professionally once the bullets start to fly for real.

 

In the meantime, bring in a few players, get in a director of football, a new CEO, lets have a great season and then reassess the situation at the beginning of the summer. If its true that Isak is just frustrated with the lack of ambition, lack of direction and broken promises, then lets see if a new set up changes any of that. If hes happy, great, sign a new long term contract. If he still wants to leave, fine, find him a suitor preferably outside of England and re-invest the money.

 

The point is, we are in strong position, and shouldn't let the pressure, our feelings, or fear push us into making a hasty decision. Although im not confident the current set up is capable of that.....  

The thing is, if this is going to be purely emotionless decision then it might very well be the opposite of what most people on here wants (rejecting Liverpools bid and demanding  150 mil plus). It might turn out to be that the club feel that a bid for 120-130 is good enough and dont want to risk having to sell for less next summer. Im not sure but it could be the outcome of a non emotional decision

[Shadow Puppets]

Get the distinct impression that this whole situation is completely paralysing our transfer efforts. If I was them, I’d be accepting that it’s over, accept anything over £120m for him, and just crack on. We can’t allow it to drag.

[duo]

1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

Would be unforgivable to sell him without a replacement in first. The incompetence on display this summer makes this the most likely outcome though unfortunately.

But there is no reason that should be the case - Isak has three years on his contract.  If he won't play - don't pay him.  I would rather he rotted in the reserves tbh than sell to Liverpool.  What is the point of the money if we cannot spend it.  It's also how Liverpool have behaved - first poaching Etikike and then unsettling Isak.  Time for PIF to start flexing some muscle as atm they are making us look very weak.  I want them to start showing the ambition they talked about.

[Palestoon]

1 minute ago, Jeremiah Dixon said:

The thing is, if this is going to be purely emotionless decision then it might very well be the opposite of what most people on here wants (rejecting Liverpools bid and demanding  150 mil plus). It might turn out to be that the club feel that a bid for 120-130 is good enough and dont want to risk having to sell for less next summer. Im not sure but it could be the outcome of a non emotional decision

I would be surprised if they came to that conclusion. A player of Isaks quality will be worth 100 mil at a minimum for the next 3 or 4 years barring catastrophe. 

[LFEE]

Wirtz cost £116. Totally unproven in the league. Not a striker and guessing didn’t have 3yrs left on his contract? And sold early in window with time for replacement etc. Yet people are talking about £100-120m?! 

 

Even though i only rated him a B you have got to be looking at £160m territory if they decide to gamble on a sale this window.

[Sibierski]

If Liverpool come in with something pathetic like £100m, then we need to tell them instantly FUCK OFF, and move on with this saga.

 

If it’s £120m, it’s a lighter fuck off but one that’s still open for £150m.

 

Their first bid will be telling and what route they want to go down. A low bid will be to get Isak to kick off, which is why we have to vocal in our response.

[thomas]

1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Get the distinct impression that this whole situation is completely paralysing our transfer efforts. If I was them, I’d be accepting that it’s over, accept anything over £120m for him, and just crack on. We can’t allow it to drag.

[relámpago blanco]

Just now, Sibierski said:

If Liverpool come in with something pathetic like £100m, then we need to tell them instantly FUCK OFF, and move on with this saga.

 

If it’s £120m, it’s a lighter fuck off but one that’s still open for £150m.

 

Their first bid will be telling and what route they want to go down. A low bid will be to get Isak to kick off, which is why we have to vocal in our response.

We have been vocal he's not for sale but there is always a price you'll take. I hope it's 200M

[ponsaelius]

It really shouldn't be paralysing our transfer efforts though. Even at the lowest estimates we should have good money left for a big signing at CB and striker. It really is absurd that we're in this situation.

[Palestoon]

1 minute ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Get the distinct impression that this whole situation is completely paralysing our transfer efforts. If I was them, I’d be accepting that it’s over, accept anything over £120m for him, and just crack on. We can’t allow it to drag.

 

If it is, then we are a bigger shambles then whats even being reported. I hope we dont fold, but am afraid we will

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Get the distinct impression that this whole situation is completely paralysing our transfer efforts. If I was them, I’d be accepting that it’s over, accept anything over £120m for him, and just crack on. We can’t allow it to drag.

Absolutely no reason why that should be the case. Our budget exists and is substantial without selling Isak.

[TRon]

14 minutes ago, Palestoon said:

I hope the club are keeping their emotions out of it, and ignoring the media circus. Someone mentioned in this thread earlier, that we are getting a taste of dealing for players at the highest level. Made up stories, in the news everyday, questions at every press conference. Its all part of the process. The reality is that when all of the smoke clears, Newcastle United hold all of the cards.

Everything we're seeing now is just Isaks agent playing his best card in his hand. And its really not much. I hope Yasir, Eddie (and Whoever else is left on this shambles of a board of directors) are keeping a level head.

 

First thing we need to decide as a club: Is their any amount of money we could get for Isak at this point in the summer that would make it a net positive for the club despite all of the negatives (Loss of main striker, late in the window, staff not in place, optics of being forced to sell to a rival).

 

If the answer is No, let Isak and his people know he wont be sold this summer for any price, get back in training and we can work out a bumper contract for you to leave for a reasonable fee next summer with everyones best interests in tact.

 

If we decide yes, their is a number that makes it worth it for us, then communicate that number to his agent along with any conditions we have (deadline, replacement brought in first etc.). No negotiations, no talks, meet the demands or fuck off. If they meet the asking price, great. If they dont, we expect you back in training, and again, we can work out something for you to leave next year.

 

The point being, we have no need to capitulate to anyone. We have 3 years left on his contract. Isak by all accounts is a good egg, a good professional, and still gets along with the manager and staff. If no deal comes off, he'll be reintegrated, and carry on business as usual. He'll start banging in the goals, and this whole saga will be behind us and the focus will be on the season. Their is zero chance he doesn't attack this season 100 percent if he's forced to stay. He's a 26 year old in the prime of his career, playing champions league football in a world cup year  I have no doubt everyone will handle it professionally once the bullets start to fly for real.

 

In the meantime, bring in a few players, get in a director of football, a new CEO, lets have a great season and then reassess the situation at the beginning of the summer. If its true that Isak is just frustrated with the lack of ambition, lack of direction and broken promises, then lets see if a new set up changes any of that. If hes happy, great, sign a new long term contract. If he still wants to leave, fine, find him a suitor preferably outside of England and re-invest the money.

 

The point is, we are in strong position, and shouldn't let the pressure, our feelings, or fear push us into making a hasty decision. Although im not confident the current set up is capable of that.....  

 

 

Think this is what is happening away from all the hysteria on social media. 

[Ikon]

After their 120m first offer I can’t wait for the media cunts and “experts” saying that we should allow him to leave as it’s a fair fee and he’s unhappy blah blah fucking blah!! 

[Ikon]

5 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said:

Get the distinct impression that this whole situation is completely paralysing our transfer efforts. If I was them, I’d be accepting that it’s over, accept anything over £120m for him, and just crack on. We can’t allow it to drag.

 Wow  

[TRon]

4 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Wirtz cost £116. Totally unproven in the league. Not a striker and guessing didn’t have 3yrs left on his contract? And sold early in window with time for replacement etc. Yet people are talking about £100-120m?! 

 

Even though i only rated him a B you have got to be looking at £160m territory if they decide to gamble on a sale this window.

 

 

£120m is a crazy valuation tbh. If we took that it would signal to the rest of football that we are there to get sand kicked in our face.