Froggy Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 I mean, Wout Weghorst is playing every game for us at the minute. We played Barcelona at Camp Nou with Weghorst as a #10 ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Just now, Froggy said: Pope has been a Newcastle player for just over half a season, who's arguing he's the best keeper you've ever had? lightyears behind Given surely and I'd have thought Krul and Dubravka would be held in higher regard. A bit of recency bias maybe because you're having such a good season. Not many keepers wouldn't have excelled behind Botman and Schar this season. Karius will be fine IMO. The Dubravka loan looks like a complete mess now mind. *Best 'keeper they've seen rather than ever had. Plenty have if you look in the Nick Pope thread and it's not even a wild opinion really. Given has quantity on his side, but Given never had a 6 months like Pope's just had. Absolutely no chance are Krul or Dubravka held in higher regard either. Regardless of Botman and Schar, Pope has pulled off countless excellent saves for us and has been very dominant. Any Newcastle fan will tell you that he's been absolutely pivotal to our success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Froggy said: Pope has been a Newcastle player for just over half a season, who's arguing he's the best keeper you've ever had? lightyears behind Given surely and I'd have thought Krul and Dubravka would be held in higher regard. A bit of recency bias maybe because you're having such a good season. It's not about the popularity contest, just the performances demonstrated. A bit like Woodgate being seen as the master defender despite barely playing in the great scheme of things. Pope has been the best, most meticulous and reliable keeper I've ever personally seen for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) You lads obviously know better. I just thought Dubravka had a similar impact for you when he came in, just in different circumstances. Edited February 19, 2023 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 The Karis redemption arc is going to be something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 It's not too dissimilar to Trippier. Within 20 matches he was comfortably the best right back I've seen at Newcastle, for anyone who didn't see Rob Lee and even for some that did, Bruno Guimaraes is already in the best XI they've seen. It's easy to forget how long we've been shit for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 20 hours ago, Froggy said: I think this guy is a far better keeper than people give him credit for. He had a shocker in the final but wasn't he elbowed into goalpost by and concussed by Ramos? I think the GK position is by far the least important for this game. Probably already mentioned but having a quick scan on Soccerbase, leading up to that final Liverpool won 19 out of 32 games and only lost 4, keeping clean sheets in half of them. If that CL Final had been today he'd have probably been forced off under the concussion rules. The only real concern is he's not played first-team football for seemingly yonks. The last keeper we had who made a debut against Man Utd had a blinder and we won, hopefully it's the same here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: The last keeper we had who made a debut against Man Utd had a blinder and we won, hopefully it's the same here. Hopefully not. Been a bit worried at how we've been starting games lately. Really poor against Leeds, Barca and Leicester for the opening 20 minutes or so of the matches. Starting to get nervous now for this week of football. Two absolutely huge games for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 We started great against Liverpool, hopefully Howe recognises your starts recently and goes for it in the first 15-20 minutes. Need to take one of our chances and probably the best way for us to win it is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 19 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: It's not too dissimilar to Trippier. Within 20 matches he was comfortably the best right back I've seen at Newcastle, for anyone who didn't see Rob Lee and even for some that did, Bruno Guimaraes is already in the best XI they've seen. It's easy to forget how long we've been shit for. Yep. Pope and Trippier definitely make my all-time NUFC XI (I’m 40); Bruno G would be hard to displace in midfield, and Botman might just pick up the left-sided CB position. Froggy has a point re recency bias, but like you say the competition in some of those positions isn’t exactly strong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Can’t wait to see the monochrome phoenix rising from the ashes of his previous career. The burdon of that CL game lifting off his shoulders and a return to the vorsprung der Teknik piece of magnificent jorman engineering this man used to be. Karius can carry us to victory. Onwards……. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 I think the footballing gods should have mercy on Karius given what he’s gone through. And on us - Man Utd has won plenty, losing this one game won’t be owt to them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Agree. A perfect redemption story for the man. Especially since whenever that champions league final is talked about everyone forgets to mention he played the game concussed after Ramos deliberately elbowed him in the head Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 22 hours ago, Froggy said: All I'm saying is I'm not in any way more confident than I was before with Karius being in nets instead of Pope. Both sides of the stadium will be as deliciously anxious and excited as each other, no doubt. Really looking forward to it now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 23 hours ago, Froggy said: Pope has been a Newcastle player for just over half a season, who's arguing he's the best keeper you've ever had? lightyears behind Given surely and I'd have thought Krul and Dubravka would be held in higher regard. A bit of recency bias maybe because you're having such a good season. Not many keepers wouldn't have excelled behind Botman and Schar this season. Karius will be fine IMO. The Dubravka loan looks like a complete mess now mind. Let me put this another way that might penetrate your red skull. Given = de Gea Krul = Howard Srnicek = Barthez Harper = Kuszczak Darlow = Taibi Gillespie = Heaton Elliott = Sealey Hislop = Bosnich Pope = Schmeichel + van Der Sar does your brain now comprehend? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: I think the footballing gods should have mercy on Karius given what he’s gone through. And on us - Man Utd has won plenty, losing this one game won’t be owt to them but they're all liverpool and manu fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Just imagine him as the hero. Saving a penalty or something. What a story Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Can’t help thinking that he’s either going to be Man of the Match or have the worst game you’re ever likely to see a keeper have and we ship four or five goals. My brain can’t find middle ground at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Player of the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 He was Liverpool's first choice for a few years and was concussed when he made those errors in the CL final. Other than the general worry around the lack of sharpness of a keeper who's barely played, which would be the case if Darlow or Dubravka were playing, I think he's about as good as you're going to get for a third or fourth choice keeper. Imagine this same situation happened 10-20 years ago and we'd be lining up in a cup final with the likes of Tony Caig, Ole Soderberg or Jak Alnwick between the sticks. It could be a hell of a lot worse... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 He doesn't need to have an outstanding game. Just needs to keep things simple and avoid basic errors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 In Loris we trust Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 I keep thinking this is going to be a story written in Newcastle folklore about how he helped us win out first domestic trophy in 70 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 32 minutes ago, Pilko said: He was Liverpool's first choice for a few years and was concussed when he made those errors in the CL final. Other than the general worry around the lack of sharpness of a keeper who's barely played, which would be the case if Darlow or Dubravka were playing, I think he's about as good as you're going to get for a third or fourth choice keeper. Imagine this same situation happened 10-20 years ago and we'd be lining up in a cup final with the likes of Tony Caig, Ole Soderberg or Jak Alnwick between the sticks. It could be a hell of a lot worse... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 26 minutes ago, Andy84 said: I keep thinking this is going to be a story written in Newcastle folklore about how he helped us win out first domestic trophy in 70 years. Imagine... The one and only game he plays for us. Written in the Stars! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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