Yorkie Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 If the Fairs Cup was stronger/more prestigious than today's Conference League then I'm happy to stand corrected; my research went as far as checking Ujpest's list of European honours pre-1969. Maybe the old Cup Winners' Cup is a more worthwhile comparison in terms of who's in it. Ultimately I'm just trying to defend the concept of there being a third tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Ujpest had a team full of internationals, did the domestic double that year and the year after, got to 2 European Cup QF and a SF. They were a top side. As for West Ham, you can only win who you are put up against and it’s a European trophy. Fair play, rotten name for it. Sounds like it’s for a semi pro league, I mean, Conference, really? No-one fancied us to beat Ujpest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) Enough of the teams involved are prestigious enough to make it a more than worthy tournament imo. I'd go as far as saying that certainly in the PL, the teams getting into it are at the level of those who were playing in the Europa and doing well not that long ago. The Europa is undermined by CL drop outs now anyway imo, regardless of whether we benefit from that setup next season. The Europa Conference is better for being a closed shop once teams qualify. Edited June 8, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Yorkie said: If the Fairs Cup was stronger/more prestigious than today's Conference League then I'm happy to stand corrected; my research went as far as checking Ujpest's list of European honours pre-1969. Maybe the old Cup Winners' Cup is a more worthwhile comparison in terms of who's in it. Ultimately I'm just trying to defend the concept of there being a third tournament. Definitely seems closer to the Cup Winners Cup particularly later on. I remember Chelsea winning it beating pretty average teams like Tromso. Edit: just looked and there were only 4 rounds before the final. Chelsea had finished 6th. Slovan Bratislava (3rd in Slovakia) Tromso (5th in Norway) Real Betis (4th in Spain) Vicenza (8th in Italy) Stuttgart (4th in Germany) Edited June 8, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Stifler said: The thing is though, for the top 4/nations in the Conference League, each one of those teams would have qualified for the Europa League a couple of years ago. Ok both Fiorentina and West Ham have had bad seasons, but that could have happened in the Europa League, in fact it did with Seville this year. For what it’s worth, unless they get a ban, then Juventus will be in the Conference League next season, hardly a minnow. I'm not saying they're minnows. It's just at some point in the League Cup it's extremely likely you're going to have to play one of the top 4, look at the finals for the past decade: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_EFL_Cup_finals I like the Conference league, I just think it's a lot harder to win the League Cup. Edited June 8, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) Like I imagine West Ham's odds for winning it were pretty low, you'd have gotten massive odds in the winning the League Cup. Edited June 8, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Like I imagine West Ham's odds for winning it were pretty low, you'd have gotten massive odds in the winning the League Cup. You wouldn’t really , probably 4/1 or something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 I reckon if Gareth Southgate moved to a club and won the Conference League Yorkie would explode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) Winning it gave them a spot in the Europa League, that in itself is pretty neat for a team like West Ham. Edited June 8, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said: I reckon if Gareth Southgate moved to a club and won the Conference League Yorkie would explode. I'll stop talking about the Conference League for a bit now it's over. ... England fixtures next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 On par with winning the League Cup imo, so still better than anything we've managed since 1969. Let's be honest here, if we'd been offered the choice of winning the LC or a top four finish, 99% of us would've taken the former. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 53 minutes ago, Beth said: Let's be honest here, if we'd been offered the choice of winning the LC or a top four finish, 99% of us would've taken the former. I agree with that 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Beth said: On par with winning the League Cup imo, so still better than anything we've managed since 1969. Let's be honest here, if we'd been offered the choice of winning the LC or a top four finish, 99% of us would've taken the former. I'm the 1%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, tgarve said: You wouldn’t really , probably 4/1 or something 4/1 for West Ham to win the LC? Vlla are 25/1 to win the LC next year, the ECL odds aren't out yet but I would be amazed if they were any where near that. Edited June 9, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) As for the ECL vs top 4 thing, we still talk about Shearer vs Inter Milan, the Barcelona 3-2, BELAMYYYYYYYYY!!! IT'S IN!!! ect. A season definitely isn't just forgotten if you don't win a trophy. Edited June 9, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Would rather have top four than winning the League Cup this year. Being in the CL means we can attract a certain caliber of player and could potentially set us up for decades upon decades of success. West Ham won a trophy and now they’re going to lose their best player. No one’s leaving us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 16 hours ago, Yorkie said: PS if we're saying that UEFA's third competition isn't a major trophy then we are genuinely downgrading our own historic achievements. The Fairs Cup's one city rule probably meant that competition had even fewer 'big' teams in it than today's Vana-euro-rama, even in the context of 1969. Ujpest Doza certainly hadn't pulled up any trees in Europe by the time they faced us, and never achieved anything notable thereafter. I agree re the unnecessary downgrading of competitions, but it’s a bit harsh on Ujpest tbf. They knocked out Don Revie’s Leeds in the semi (the same Leeds side which won the English league title that season) and Revie described them as the best team in Europe. On winning the Fairs Cup NUFC had to knock out some big sides - including Rangers (at a time when Rangers and Celtic were the equal of any English side) and Feyenoord - who won the European Cup the year after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 A(ny) trophy over CL any day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 I think the balance needs to be looked at in the sense of what achieving Top 4 means more long term vs a trophy this year. A trophy is a trophy (would love it) but CL this season - that’s now club defining and the biggest step to the next chapter of Newcastle we could’ve hoped for. There are many many trophies in our very near future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Beth said: On par with winning the League Cup imo, so still better than anything we've managed since 1969. Let's be honest here, if we'd been offered the choice of winning the LC or a top four finish, 99% of us would've taken the former. I think top 4 is better for the long term project, and could help us to win a trophy faster in the future. I don't think that winning a League Cup now would've helped us getting a top 4 finish any faster (if we didn't get it this season). Edit: I see now that someone just pointed that out Edited June 9, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paullow Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Arsenal were in a title race, played some great football, and made massive strides, but effectively their season was pretty similar to ours - no trophy and a return to the Champions League. They certainly wouldn't have swapped their season for West Ham if offered, despite the latter winning the Conference League, nor Brentford, if (hypothetically) they finished where they did and won the League Cup. I think our season was generally better (than West Ham) - like Arsenal, we made massive strides, played great football, no team lost fewer games nor conceded less goals, and a real chance to continue to build, attract better players, and really push on as a club, so as a business you wouldn't swap, it's obviously just as fans, the vast majority of us haven't seen us win anything in our lifetime, and we are desperate for that to change. I probably would have preferred us to finish 6th or 7th and win the LC than finish 4th and lose the final this season (as was widely discussed leading into the final, and those Magpie TV type YouTube channels), just because of the emotion of finally winning a cup, but in a general sense, if your club is right up there in the upper echelons, have won plenty of trophies in reasonable recent memory, then a top 4 finish would normally top winning lesser competitions like the Europa Conference (and even the League Cup), but at this stage, we're obviously not 'above' those competitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Nobody in their right mind would swap our season for West Ham's like West Ham fans will have amazing memories, which is why the tournament is so good, but it's hardly some major scalp. You enter the competition through extremely specific circumstances (finishing 7th) and then have to beat sides who realistically you (7th in the Premier League) are going to be on par with at worst. Home and away so the away factor is removed too. I'd definitely prefer watching us in the Conference League than the League Cup like, even though as a major honour the LC is much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Is anyone giving inter a chance tonight? bit shit waiting to 8 pm and i don't think i can be even arsed watching the cheats win it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, astraguy said: Is anyone giving inter a chance tonight? bit shit waiting to 8 pm and i don't think i can be even arsed watching the cheats win it It's a slim chance but they definitely have a chance They just need to avoid conceding an early goal, then hope the pressure of City needing to win the CL and doing the treble causes them to panic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Sounds like getting to the stadium in Istanbul is an absolute nightmare as per Uefa’s constant shit organisation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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