Paullow Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) 56 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Yep, they’re both a complete shower of twats. It’s not for nothing that the SPL is the only division in Europe which had clubs play four games per season against each other - it forces any competitor to the OF to play them eight times (I know the league now splits in two), but they only have to face a giant club twice. It’s as bent as a nine bob bit. I hope you do it - but you won’t have the officials in your favour at CP. Na, a lot of leagues in Europe follow a similar format. The top clubs in Belgium, Austria and Switzerland all have to face each other 4 times in the league campaign, and that's just off the top of my head. Probably a few others as well. Edit - Denmark too. None of the big 5 leagues do, but then the SPL isn't really in the same bracket as those, and is probably more aligned with the aforementioned smaller leagues which don't consist of 18-20 teams. Edited May 14 by Paullow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 5 hours ago, Moose said: Celtic and Rangers fans will still look you in the eye and tell you that the officials are against them though. By the way, Motherwell play some lovely stuff, they're limited by the profile of player they can bring in but their style of play is a joy to watch, it seemed like they had 14 players on the pitch at times. What a showdown it'll be on Saturday! Hearts will do it, they've been on top since September, they've got the testicular fortitude for this! Posted this before, and I can‘t comment on now with VAR etc, but when I lived in Scotland 20+ years ago it was the most I ever watched the SPL consistently. I was shocked at how much smaller teams got away with against Celtic, at least. Refs were wildly permissive of systematic and pretty egregious fouling. It isn’t a great surprise to me that some Old Firm fans complain about the refs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 7 hours ago, Paully said: Motherwell manager going bizerk too - fair play to them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 7 hours ago, martoon said: Sadly, we won't be allowed to win the title on Saturday. A baying home support, officials who are terrified to anger them, Hearts will be cheated to a standstill. We'd be as well not turning up. Sickening. Keep your pecker up. You can do this. I don’t have a Scottish team but I’ve got Jambo pals and I’ve been up to Tynecastle to watch you beat the Hibbies. Was sad to see how deflated you all looked last night, even at half time the fans looked like they were gutted. One more game to go, get right into them. Anyone who cares about football is rooting for you to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 7 hours ago, Pokerprince2004 said: TBF that still picture, think it did hit his hand like . You just know Celtic will get a dodgy VAR decision on Saturday if it's still 0-0 after an hour though I have to say, reading all the comments I thought it was going to be a Tino v PSG type pen. I mean, what’s he doing with his hand that high and close to his head. Looks like it hit his hand to me on the replays, it’s pretty much on his forehead. That said, hope Hearts can do it on Saturday 👏🏻 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 His arm was clearly pushed in to it, does that make it a penalty? Serious question. As why would you header it with your hand on your head otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerprince2004 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 That zoomed in picture does show it hit his hand but that was not available to the referee or VAR. They just had the one angle which they showed on repeat and it was impossible to see if it hit hand off that. VAR can only recommend an on-field review for a clear and obvious error. This angle does not show the referee has missed a clear and obvious error. You can't see clearly where the ball hits. And even if they did think it hit his hand then they have to consider if it was (a) Deliberate and (b) has it made your body unnaturally bigger. It definitely isn't deliberate, the ball hits his hand - which is on his forehead in the middle of a normal footballing challenge and he hasn't made his body unnaturally bigger. Because the ball would have hit his head anyway, so his hand on his head does not make his body unnaturally bigger. This is categorically not what VAR was brought in for, and it all needs ripped up in the summer. Honestly sick to death of VAR now, has to be the worst thing to happen to football in my lifetime. Completely spoiling games and moments with this forensic analysis. It genuinely is pathetic You really have to feel for Hearts. I'm sure everyone will be behind them on Saturday. Got a feeling Celtic will win and it'll be the most anticlimactic ending to a superb Scottish season. God I hope I'm wrong though 🙏 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Var doing the job it's meant to do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, Pokerprince2004 said: That zoomed in picture does show it hit his hand but that was not available to the referee or VAR. They just had the one angle which they showed on repeat and it was impossible to see if it hit hand off that. VAR can only recommend an on-field review for a clear and obvious error. This angle does not show the referee has missed a clear and obvious error. You can't see clearly where the ball hits. And even if they did think it hit his hand then they have to consider if it was (a) Deliberate and (b) has it made your body unnaturally bigger. It definitely isn't deliberate, the ball hits his hand - which is on his forehead in the middle of a normal footballing challenge and he hasn't made his body unnaturally bigger. Because the ball would have hit his head anyway, so his hand on his head does not make his body unnaturally bigger. This is categorically not what VAR was brought in for, and it all needs ripped up in the summer. Honestly sick to death of VAR now, has to be the worst thing to happen to football in my lifetime. Completely spoiling games and moments with this forensic analysis. It genuinely is pathetic You really have to feel for Hearts. I'm sure everyone will be behind them on Saturday. Got a feeling Celtic will win and it'll be the most anticlimactic ending to a superb Scottish season. God I hope I'm wrong though 🙏 This - how could you tell from that one angle it was a pen? I thought they were looking at an elbow - it’s not a pen as he was pushed in the back (regardless of colour of shirt) and Celtic weren’t in a position to gain - a nonsense decision Even the WHU one - The VAR officials weren’t sure either - so how is that clear and obvious? You give benefit of the doubt and stay with the on field call Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, bobbydazzla said: Keep your pecker up. You can do this. I don’t have a Scottish team but I’ve got Jambo pals and I’ve been up to Tynecastle to watch you beat the Hibbies. Was sad to see how deflated you all looked last night, even at half time the fans looked like they were gutted. One more game to go, get right into them. Anyone who cares about football is rooting for you to do it. Cheers, bobby. I have a lot of confidence in this Hearts team and Derek McInnes; Just little or none in the officials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) I hate VAR, I hate so-called 'handballs', and I hate that that was given. But I think that prob gets given in some random Brighton-Wolves match, I don't think it's corrupt. Edited May 14 by Superior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, Pokerprince2004 said: That zoomed in picture does show it hit his hand but that was not available to the referee or VAR. They just had the one angle which they showed on repeat and it was impossible to see if it hit hand off that. VAR can only recommend an on-field review for a clear and obvious error. This angle does not show the referee has missed a clear and obvious error. You can't see clearly where the ball hits. And even if they did think it hit his hand then they have to consider if it was (a) Deliberate and (b) has it made your body unnaturally bigger. It definitely isn't deliberate, the ball hits his hand - which is on his forehead in the middle of a normal footballing challenge and he hasn't made his body unnaturally bigger. Because the ball would have hit his head anyway, so his hand on his head does not make his body unnaturally bigger. This is categorically not what VAR was brought in for, and it all needs ripped up in the summer. Honestly sick to death of VAR now, has to be the worst thing to happen to football in my lifetime. Completely spoiling games and moments with this forensic analysis. It genuinely is pathetic You really have to feel for Hearts. I'm sure everyone will be behind them on Saturday. Got a feeling Celtic will win and it'll be the most anticlimactic ending to a superb Scottish season. God I hope I'm wrong though 🙏 Nodding like a nodding dog at this post! I detest VAR and have from day one! I hesitated in celebrating Matty Lomgstaff’s winner v Man Utd as I was convinced Williams (I think) was off in the build up from my seat just behind the goal! Hoy it in the bin - utter wank! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) The handball rule itself is just as much a problem as VAR though. As is the punishment of a penalty being so out of proportion to the offence. IMO there should be almost no handballs in a PL season, only where a person has stopped the ball with their hand and clearly meant to do it in order to stop a goal-scoring opportunity like a dangerous cross or shot. Edited May 14 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: The handball rule itself is just as much a problem as VAR though. As is the punishment of a penalty being so out of proportion to the offence. I think the shape of the penalty area is a big problem with it - a handball on the corner of the 18 yard box is hardly likely to have denied a goalscoring opportunity But that’s a massive can of worms to open Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 The Celtic players don't appeal and the several thousand Celtic fans standing yards away don't appeal, the ball does not hit his hand, I don't care how much grainy freeze frames I'm shown. It's made me feel really despondent about football in general this morning and that's without skin in the game. I thought the reaction of the Motherwell manager was right: "the question to ask is what are we even doing here?" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 8 minutes ago, Wullie said: The Celtic players don't appeal and the several thousand Celtic fans standing yards away don't appeal, the ball does not hit his hand, I don't care how much grainy freeze frames I'm shown. It's made me feel really despondent about football in general this morning and that's without skin in the game. I thought the reaction of the Motherwell manager was right: "the question to ask is what are we even doing here?" 100% - I think every non-Celtic fan is desperate for a Hearts result on Saturday but sadly I think that will them. To think Celtic needed to win by three goals until that disgraceful pen decision FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I hope Hearts win the league aswell but if Motherwell get that penalty nobody is complaining about the decision. It's a clear handball by the way the handball is currently refereed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tross Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 9 minutes ago, triggs said: I hope Hearts win the league aswell but if Motherwell get that penalty nobody is complaining about the decision. It's a clear handball by the way the handball is currently refereed It is anything but clear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 8 minutes ago, triggs said: I hope Hearts win the league aswell but if Motherwell get that penalty nobody is complaining about the decision. It's a clear handball by the way the handball is currently refereed I think it's the closest thing I've seen in football to those clips in cricket you see where the ball looks like it has hit the ground when it is obvious from the reaction of the players on the field that it is a clean catch. It's a "clear handball" that was only visible to the guy watching on a single camera situated on halfway, nobody else sees it? Come on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 https://www.dailymail.com/sport/football/article-15818429/Its-official-Spying-Southampton-face-THROWN-play-offs-EFL-confirm-200m-Wembley-final-date-hearing-set-just-five-days-before.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Anyone remember SanToon in the bushes of our training ground to hang up the Hope Ben Arfa flag? And fell over in front of his hero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomYam Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 5 hours ago, triggs said: I hope Hearts win the league aswell but if Motherwell get that penalty nobody is complaining about the decision. It's a clear handball by the way the handball is currently refereed For the life of me, I cannot understand how you've reached that conclusion. The only thing clear and obvious is that the defenders hand is too high (and could potentially have lighty brushed the ball - although there is no evidence of that), but even then his upper arm is clearly raised inadvertently by the attacker's shoulder after pushing into him. Other than that. Is it clear and obvious? No. Did the ball hit his head? The trajectory and force of the ball makes that very evident affirmative. 100% NOT a penalty...and you have to question why the VAR assessor was so determined to overturn the onfield decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 28 minutes ago, joeyt said: Anyone remember SanToon in the bushes of our training ground to hang up the Hope Ben Arfa flag? And fell over in front of his hero Fantastic memory unlocked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Either Southampton or Hull coming up is fucking grim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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