7th-ometer

[buzza]

If we win/draw against Manu it would be a real milestone, for me it would show that we really are in a place to compete for europa league places.

If we are lucky enough to keep the squad fit for the majority of games till the world cup break, i really can see a couple of signings coming in in jan and keeping us ticking over in the top seven/eight.

[Holmesy]

The fact we've won games without ASM, Shelvey and Isak in the team bodes well. We've also been carrying Willock for a few games as well, so that would suggest there's a decent amount of room for improvement. 

[Geogaddi]

I don't think we will finish in the top 6 but being honest outside of that the only two teams that come anywhere close to us are West Ham and Brighton,  I don't think both will finish above us, 8th is the absolute lowest I think we will finish.

[PlymouthGeordie]

On 08/10/2022 at 16:59, Optimistic Nut said:

We need at home 9 more wins & no more draws (27 points to go)

 

We need away from home 6 more wins & 1 more draw (19 points to go)

 

2 points off the pace.

 

 

Nottingham Forest (H)- 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 60 points)

Brighton (A) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 61 points)

Manchester City (H) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 62 points)

Wolves (A) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 62 points)

Liverpool (A) - 0 points required - 0 points won (On track for 62 points)

Crystal Palace (H) - 3 points required - 1 point won (On track for 60 points)

Bournemouth (H) - 3 points required - 1 point won (On track for 58 points)

Fulham (A) - 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 58 points)

Brentford (H) - 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 58 points)

Manchester United (A) - 0 points required

Everton (H) - 3 points required

Spurs (A) - 0 points required

Aston Villa (H) - 3 points required

Southampton (A) - 3 points required

Chelsea (H) - 0 points required

Leicester (A) - 0 points required

Leeds (H) - 3 points required

Arsenal (A) - 0 points required

Fulham (H) - 3 points required

Crystal Palace (A) - 0 points required (originally 1 point required)

West Ham (H) - 3 points required (originally 1 point)

Bournemouth (A) - 3 points required

Liverpool (H) - 0 points required

Brighton (H) - 3 points required

Man City (A) - 0 points required

Wolves (H) - 3 points required

Nottingham Forest (A) - 3 points required

Manchester United (H) - 0 points required (originally 1 point required)

Brentford (A) - 1 point required

Aston Villa (A) - 3 points required

Spurs (H) - 0 points required

Everton (A) - 3 points required

Southampton (H) - 3 points required

Arsenal (H) - 0 points required

Leeds (A) - 3 points required

Leicester (H) - 3 points required (was 1 point)

Chelsea (A) - 0 points required

West Ham (A) - 0 points required

 

 

 

 

Aren't we on track for 59 points using this? We got a point at Wolves when we didn't "need" one but you kept the tracker at 62 points instead of bumping it to 63 points?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, PlymouthGeordie said:

 

Aren't we on track for 59 points using this? We got a point at Wolves when we didn't "need" one but you kept the tracker at 62 points instead of bumping it to 63 points?

 

We dropped 4 points we should have had against Palace & Bournemouth.

 

We originally gained 2 v Brighton & Man City. Wolves was originally 1 point needed before we got the draw at Brighton. 

 

I can't explain it properly but it's right.

[Minhosa]

On 08/10/2022 at 16:59, Optimistic Nut said:

We need at home 9 more wins & no more draws (27 points to go)

 

We need away from home 6 more wins & 1 more draw (19 points to go)

 

2 points off the pace.

 

 

Nottingham Forest (H)- 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 60 points)

Brighton (A) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 61 points)

Manchester City (H) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 62 points)

Wolves (A) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 62 points)

Liverpool (A) - 0 points required - 0 points won (On track for 62 points)

Crystal Palace (H) - 3 points required - 1 point won (On track for 60 points)

Bournemouth (H) - 3 points required - 1 point won (On track for 58 points)

Fulham (A) - 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 58 points)

Brentford (H) - 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 58 points)

Manchester United (A) - 0 points required

Everton (H) - 3 points required

Spurs (A) - 0 points required

Aston Villa (H) - 3 points required

Southampton (A) - 3 points required

Chelsea (H) - 0 points required

Leicester (A) - 0 points required

Leeds (H) - 3 points required

Arsenal (A) - 0 points required

Fulham (H) - 3 points required

Crystal Palace (A) - 0 points required (originally 1 point required)

West Ham (H) - 3 points required (originally 1 point)

Bournemouth (A) - 3 points required

Liverpool (H) - 0 points required

Brighton (H) - 3 points required

Man City (A) - 0 points required

Wolves (H) - 3 points required

Nottingham Forest (A) - 3 points required

Manchester United (H) - 0 points required (originally 1 point required)

Brentford (A) - 1 point required

Aston Villa (A) - 3 points required

Spurs (H) - 0 points required

Everton (A) - 3 points required

Southampton (H) - 3 points required

Arsenal (H) - 0 points required

Leeds (A) - 3 points required

Leicester (H) - 3 points required (was 1 point)

Chelsea (A) - 0 points required

West Ham (A) - 0 points required

 

 

 

Remind me @Optimistic Nut, what's the tracker tracking? To finish above last years finish or for typical European Q points total?

[Guest]

60 points. Just seemed a round number that should get 7th or very close to it.

 

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Optimistic Nut

[HaydnNUFC]

Just out of interest, checked to see the points totals for each season post-Guardiola for 7th, 6th, 5th and 4th respectively, though the latter 2 will be be out of our reach this season barring an unprecedented implosion at 3 of the big 6.

 

2016-17

4th: 76pts

5th: 75pts

6th: 69pts

7th: 61pts

 

2017-18

4th: 75pts

5th: 70pts

6th: 63pts

7th: 54pts

 

2018-19

4th: 71pts

5th: 70pts

6th: 66pts

7th: 57pts

 

2019-20

4th: 66pts

5th: 62pts

6th: 59pts

7th: 59pts

 

2020-21

4th: 67pts

5th: 66pts

6th: 65pts

7th: 62pts

 

2021-22

4th: 71pts

5th: 69pts

6th: 58pts

7th: 56pts

[54]

10 games in, average of 1.5 ppg, not bad going for a top 7 finish. 

[Yorkie]

It's very much on. On the basis of the first ten games. 

[Klaus]

Still only lost one game in the league this season. Bloody impressive tbh. We have also matched Man City at home and Liverpool + Man U away. 

 

This club is going places.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Klaus

[BlazeT44]

Don't care about PPG or previous seasons or statistics.

 

If you'd have told me after 10 games we'd have been below Man City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea and Man United we'd have took it.

 

The only question we'd have asked is "Where the fuck are Liverpool?"

 

 

[ChrisJbarnes]

I would expect not many clubs outside the top 6 will get more than 2 points from City (H) Man U (a) and Liverpool (a). Agonisingly close to it be 3 at Liverpool as well. 

[Mazzy]

As much as it's in our own hands and the position we are in now is a good sign of things to come. Alot could rest on how poor Liverpool can be for the rest of the season, if they don't finish in the top 6 (very unlikely) then that's an extra spot up for grabs that we didn't anticipate. 

[nufcjb]

The draw today against undoubtedly, a good team in Man Utd, will do our chances no harm to finish 7th.

 

It's games against the likes of Everton that could stop us in our tracks so we'll need to follow up today's draw with nothing than a win on Wednesday, eapecially at home.

[Jonas]

Everybody fit we'd threaten it.

Think its amazing were where we are with some of what we have. So still think its just beyond us right now

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Jonas

[Guest]

60 points target.

 

We need at home 9 more wins & no more draws (27 points to go)

We need away from home 6 more wins & 0 more draws (18 points to go)

 

Brentford away changes from 1 point required to 0 required after today.

 

1 point off the pace.

 

 

 

Nottingham Forest (H)- 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 60 points)

Brighton (A) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 61 points)

Manchester City (H) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 62 points)

Wolves (A) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 62 points)

Liverpool (A) - 0 points required - 0 points won (On track for 62 points)

Crystal Palace (H) - 3 points required - 1 point won (On track for 60 points)

Bournemouth (H) - 3 points required - 1 point won (On track for 58 points)

Fulham (A) - 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 58 points)

Brentford (H) - 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 58 points)

Manchester United (A) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 59 points)

Everton (H) - 3 points required

Spurs (A) - 0 points required

Aston Villa (H) - 3 points required

Southampton (A) - 3 points required

Chelsea (H) - 0 points required

Leicester (A) - 0 points required

Leeds (H) - 3 points required

Arsenal (A) - 0 points required

Fulham (H) - 3 points required

Crystal Palace (A) - 0 points required (originally 1 point required)

West Ham (H) - 3 points required (originally 1 point)

Bournemouth (A) - 3 points required

Liverpool (H) - 0 points required

Brighton (H) - 3 points required

Man City (A) - 0 points required

Wolves (H) - 3 points required

Nottingham Forest (A) - 3 points required

Manchester United (H) - 0 points required (originally 1 point required)

Brentford (A) - 0 points required (originally 1 point required)

Aston Villa (A) - 3 points required

Spurs (H) - 0 points required

Everton (A) - 3 points required

Southampton (H) - 3 points required

Arsenal (H) - 0 points required

Leeds (A) - 3 points required

Leicester (H) - 3 points required (was 1 point)

Chelsea (A) - 0 points required

West Ham (A) - 0 points required

 

 

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Optimistic Nut

[Stottie]

Arguably our best away result under Howe today. The best team we've beaten away under him is (probably) Brentford.

[STM]

That draw, without several of our best players, tells me that we aren't a flash in the pan. We are tough, stubborn, smart and a bitch to play against. 

 

That we keep getting results despite lady luck throwing injuries our way, bodes very well.

[Mazzy]

2 minutes ago, STM said:

That draw, without several of our best players, tells me that we aren't a flash in the pan. We are tough, stubborn, smart and a bitch to play against. 

 

That we keep getting results despite lady luck throwing injuries our way, bodes very well.

 

Probably my biggest takeaway from these first 10 games is exactly that. We are extremely difficult to play against and to beat us requires near maximum effort from any team we face. Can't ask for much more than that I'm such a short space of time.

[STM]

Target of 1.5 PPG, that draw puts us on exactly 1.5 PPG (15 points divided by 10 games).

 

I think more significantly our likely rivals for 7th are being inconsistent at best. Of course we are assuming Liverpool will revive themselves before the end of the season.

 

Edit: Brighton of course are our biggest contender by far.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by STM

[Lush Vlad]

So hard to beat and our shape and defence are drilled to perfection.  
 

Weird thing to say after 4-1 and 5-1 wins before today. But I feel we still lack quality in the final third. Especially without the chaos that Maxi causes. 
 

I’d like to see us creating more chances and really opening teams up when the situation allows it. And I think we need to on a more consistent basis if we have our eyes on the top 6. 
 

Still, so far so good! 

[Stottie]

In ten games so far, we've only played two of the bottom seven.

https://www.soccerstats.com/team.asp?league=england&stats=9-newcastle-utd

[Geogaddi]

7th is the lowest we are finishing , Brighton look a worse team without Potter and West Ham are nothing special, we are better than everyone else, even with all the injuries we have had we are still 6th.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Geogaddi

[HaydnNUFC]

We'll likely drop to 7th on Tuesday as Brighton are at home to Forest. But I do think 7th will mainly be contested between us and Brighton depending on how De Zerbi gets them going. 

 

9, maybe 10 or 12 points (as I don't fear anyone at SJP) from our remaining games before the World Cup would be a great return. Players to come back from injury post World Cup and a transfer window coming up, if we're still in touching distance of 6th when that comes round we'll be reet.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by HaydnNUFC