Barnes23 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Nine said: The gap from 8th-10th could be miniscule, no need to get to caught up on placement (below 7th) as top 10 still indicates massive progress Relative to where we've come from, maybe. But considering what we were able to achieve in the second half of last season, 7th and up is the obvious benchmark to be trying to hit. And it's clear to me, most importantly of all, from the top down, we're fostering a mindset of legitimately trying to compete with the top six to the greatest possible extent. In light of all of that, I don't know why anyone would want to lower the bar and start talking about the positives of a top 10 finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Finishing 10th means a few of the likes of Brighton, Fulham, West Ham, Leicester overtaking us which would be a disappointment. Could maybe accept 8th if someone like West Ham or Leicester click into gear which they have the potential to, but 10th would be a poor season from where we are today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Barnes23 said: Relative to where we've come from, maybe. But considering what we were able to achieve in the second half of last season, 7th and up is the obvious benchmark to be trying to hit. And it's clear to me, most importantly of all, from the top down, we're fostering a mindset of legitimately trying to compete with the top six to the greatest possible extent. In light of all of that, I don't know why anyone would want to lower the bar and start talking about the positives of a top 10 finish. While I agree with the ambition, the current state of our squad suggests to me that maintaining and finishing within top 10 this season IS a positive. I've said it before, one or two key injuries (Bruno/Wilson even Botman or Schar) could significantly harm our current consistency and given the intensity we play/train at its likely at some point. I dont see it as lowering the bar myself, I think we are actually performing above the bar right now.. no reason we cant continue but realistically I think its unlikely. I think we as fans tend to forget where we started when Howe came in, things have moved very quickly (credit to Howe, players and ownership) but there will be bumps in the road up ahead. Theres no way 8th/9th would be disappointing to me, theres a long way to go even after our great start. Edited October 23, 2022 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpersForGoalposts Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, BlazeT44 said: This is just fucking nuts and in my opinion encapsulates everything wrong with a percentage of our fan base, post takeover. Just be thankful we're doing well, on the up and progressing. I'm glad you think that I'm everything wrong with our fanbase, simply for thinking that we are doing so well that our ceiling is now 4th, rather than bedwetting my way to being happy with top 10. Were you around before the Ashley years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeT44 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, JumpersForGoalposts said: I'm glad you think that I'm everything wrong with our fanbase, simply for thinking that we are doing so well that our ceiling is now 4th, rather than bedwetting my way to being happy with top 10. Were you around before the Ashley years? Yes, I was. Since 1995/1996. You didn't say the ceiling was 4th. You said 4th should be the goal, with 5th or 6th would be the new 'acceptable' which I think is complete nonsense. How on earth would going from being a team that has struggled to stay in the Premier League in the past 15 years (except one good season), to 7th be less than acceptable? Comments like these rightly give rise to people calling our fan base deluded and entitled. I fully agree that, if we can, why not aim for 6th, 5th or 4th. But to say thinking finishing 7th or 8th is not acceptable or bed wetting is crazy talk. Finishing 7th and maybe sneaking into Europe would see a marked improvement in on field performances, in addition to the off field improvements and increase to commercials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Easy work this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpersForGoalposts Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 18 minutes ago, BlazeT44 said: Yes, I was. Since 1995/1996. You didn't say the ceiling was 4th. You said 4th should be the goal, with 5th or 6th would be the new 'acceptable' which I think is complete nonsense. How on earth would going from being a team that has struggled to stay in the Premier League in the past 15 years (except one good season), to 7th be less than acceptable? Comments like these rightly give rise to people calling our fan base deluded and entitled. I fully agree that, if we can, why not aim for 6th, 5th or 4th. But to say thinking finishing 7th or 8th is not acceptable or bed wetting is crazy talk. Finishing 7th and maybe sneaking into Europe would see a marked improvement in on field performances, in addition to the off field improvements and increase to commercials. 4th place says hi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Fuck me! What a performance! Proud!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeT44 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, JumpersForGoalposts said: 4th place says hi Well, if we finish 4th I'll be delighted, and I'll be in Europe drinking with you! But I stand by what I said. Suggesting 7th is unacceptable (and that 5th/6th is the new acceptable) is crazy. You also referred to me saying YOU are everything wrong with the fan base. I didn't say that. I said your comment was. There's a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Played 10 of the current top 13 too. This is not a fluke or a false position or any of that shit either, we're there on merit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 We’re going to threaten for Europe this season, which is not something I was expecting at the outset. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Where’s that post the shows if we are on track to 60 pts or whatever? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 60 points target. We need at home 8 more wins & no more draws (24 points to go) We need away from home 5 more wins & 0 more draws (15 points to go) We're back in credit for the first time since the Palace/Bournemouth draws. Based on last season's league table, Aston Villa has changed from 3 points needed, to 0 to reach 60. On track for 62 points now if we go on the basis pre-season of needing to beat last season's bottom 11 and drawing with 6th to 8th at home, and needing to beat last season's bottom 7 and drawing with the rest of the bottom half and 10th to reach 60. Nottingham Forest (H)- 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 60 points) Brighton (A) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 61 points) Manchester City (H) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 62 points) Wolves (A) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 62 points) Liverpool (A) - 0 points required - 0 points won (On track for 62 points) Crystal Palace (H) - 3 points required - 1 point won (On track for 60 points) Bournemouth (H) - 3 points required - 1 point won (On track for 58 points) Fulham (A) - 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 58 points) Brentford (H) - 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 58 points) Manchester United (A) - 0 points required - 1 point won (On track for 59 points) Everton (H) - 3 points required - 3 points won (On track for 59 points) Spurs (A) - 0 points required - 3 points won (On track for 62 points) Aston Villa (H) - 3 points required Southampton (A) - 3 points required Chelsea (H) - 0 points required Leicester (A) - 0 points required Leeds (H) - 3 points required Arsenal (A) - 0 points required Fulham (H) - 3 points required Crystal Palace (A) - 0 points required (originally 1 point required) West Ham (H) - 3 points required (originally 1 point) Bournemouth (A) - 3 points required Liverpool (H) - 0 points required Brighton (H) - 3 points required Man City (A) - 0 points required Wolves (H) - 3 points required Nottingham Forest (A) - 3 points required Manchester United (H) - 0 points required (originally 1 point required) Brentford (A) - 0 points required (originally 1 point required) Aston Villa (A) - 0 points required (originally 3) Spurs (H) - 0 points required Everton (A) - 3 points required Southampton (H) - 3 points required Arsenal (H) - 0 points required Leeds (A) - 3 points required Leicester (H) - 3 points required (was 1 point) Chelsea (A) - 0 points required West Ham (A) - 0 points required Edited October 23, 2022 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Can an Admin or someone pin that post, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 This may need recalibrating for 65 points. My fantastic fact of the day is that we have played 11 of the top 14, i.e., everyone bar ourselves Arsenal and Chelsea. Out of the bottom 7, we've only played two teams, Forest and Wolves. Of the six games we've played against the top nine, five of them were away. Aside from Man City, every top team still has come to SJP. It's in our hands boys and girls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Only Evens with the bookies for top 6 now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Wonder if the board will throw huge money behind it in January if we're still in touch by the transfer window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 The next 2 games have become massive. Beating Spurs means so much less if we don't get minimum 4 points from the next Villa/Southampton and that's being pessimistic, 6 points is obviously the aim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 I keep looking at the table, it's just ridiculous, doesn't seem real Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, Mazzy said: The next 2 games have become massive. Beating Spurs means so much less if we don't get minimum 4 points from the next Villa/Southampton and that's being pessimistic, 6 points is obviously the aim. It gives us a freebie I reckon. There's going to be one or two games we lose over the course of the season which we wouldn't expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Only 7 points off top, just saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, 54 said: Only 7 points off top, just saying. I think there’s a chance we go into the World Cup above Spurs and closer to Arsenal than we are now. City are going to pull away though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 A reminder that our target for 7th is 1.5 PPG. We are currently on: 1.75 PPG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 It's not like this form is just this season weren't we right up there based on our second half of the season performances across quite a few metrics this was brought home when I saw this on the BBC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) This needs changing to 4th-o-meter, absolutely no way are we finishing anywhere below 7th. Been saying it for weeks but this last week really has emphasised that . Edited October 23, 2022 by Geogaddi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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