Vaj Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 3 minutes ago, Ikon said: Wouldn't take it for granted that Chelsea lose at home to Liverpool. Yeah I am concerned about this one. They will win the league this weekend and haven't been great for a while so could see them slipping up, hopefully not though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 minutes ago, Ikon said: Wouldn't take it for granted that Chelsea lose at home to Liverpool. We may as well be flipping coins, nothing is certain. Just got to look after our games. Hammer Ipswich please. Up the GD and lift us for Brighton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Tisd09 said: Be great to go into the final game of the season already qualified, not sure if I could cope with Everton being the team that breaks our hearts! Urgh, the Mackems would love it. Much like how they went on when Allardyce managed them (Everton) and the end of that season. They'd be claming Moyes as a massive lads fan, marra. Edited April 23 by TK-421 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Am I right in thinking, that going into the last game of the season, so long as we're 2 points ahead of Chelsea and Forest, and 4 Points ahead of Villa, we'll have qualified before that final game of the season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, 54 said: Am I right in thinking, that going into the last game of the season, so long as we're 2 points ahead of Chelsea and Forest, and 4 Points ahead of Villa, we'll have qualified before that final game of the season? Not quite. Assuming city qualify that leaves 2 places for 3 teams. So should Chelsea and forest draw and we lose it would depend on GD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 PS I fucking despise ffp. I wouldn't give a shit about CL this season if it wasn't because of the money if brings. Meanwhile Manchester United who have been given an ffp free pass for this season are already lashing out big funds despite not funding and new stadium and being 600m in debt. Ridiculous system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, r0cafella said: Not quite. Assuming city qualify that leaves 2 places for 3 teams. So should Chelsea and forest draw and we lose it would depend on GD. If we're two ahead of Chelsea and Forest, only 1 could overtake us so we'd be guaranteed at least 5th in that scenario . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: If we're two ahead of Chelsea and Forest, only 1 could overtake us so we'd be guaranteed at least 5th in that scenario . Correct I misread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Anyone know if there is an updated version of that chart which shows the fixtures and the maximum points each team can reach? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) Shamelessly stolen from Reddit. Edited April 23 by r0cafella Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 47 minutes ago, Ikon said: Wouldn't take it for granted that Chelsea lose at home to Liverpool. Agreed, Liverpool do hate Chelsea though so they’ll still turn up. Only downside is league may/likely will be won by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BennyBlanco Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Brighton and Chelsea have been banana skins for us in recent years. I don’t fancy going to Arsenal and doing them again. Be very lucky to emerge from those games with 2 points imho. Hope to fuck I’m proven wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, BennyBlanco said: Brighton and Chelsea have been banana skins for us in recent years. I don’t fancy going to Arsenal and doing them again. Be very lucky to emerge from those games with 2 points imho. Hope to fuck I’m proven wrong. Away at Chelsea maybe - but we've won all three at home since Eddie took over. Even going back to the bad old days, we've actually got a pretty good record at home to them. Brighton away you're right - our record there is pretty awful. Hopefully we're due a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Beat Ipswich at home and don't worry about anything after that. Get points on the board and see how the others do under the pressure of being 4-5 points adrift of us. Everton have a result in them under Moyes, lets hope they frustrate Chelsea to a 0-0 Saturday lunchtime ahead of our game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, JP said: Beat Ipswich at home and don't worry about anything after that. Get points on the board and see how the others do under the pressure of being 4-5 points adrift of us. Everton have a result in them under Moyes, lets hope they frustrate Chelsea to a 0-0 Saturday lunchtime ahead of our game. Wont happen if Keane plays. Better to play with 10 men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) Could go either way with Liverpool, they have tightened up and look like they have been playing with abit of pressure since we beat them maybe just trying to get over the line and perhaps they relax and playwith freedom again once confirmed as champs. Or all the senior players put their flip flops on and they lose all their remaining games after that. Edited April 23 by alexf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 48 minutes ago, BennyBlanco said: Brighton and Chelsea have been banana skins for us in recent years. I don’t fancy going to Arsenal and doing them again. Be very lucky to emerge from those games with 2 points imho. Hope to fuck I’m proven wrong. Beat Chelsea three times in the last three at SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 We will beat Chelsea at home but I wish it was a later kick off. 12pm will mean it's flat as a fart. We will beat Ipswich, Chelsea & Everton and it'll be enough, though I'm hoping Everton expend a lot of energy at Goodison the week prior as they've recently been a bit of a dodgy team for us and they'll love to play party poopers. Still think if we need to beat someone on the final day, you'd take a team 'on the beach' at home all day long. Forest will have enough in their games as will City. It's a shame Chelsea play Liverpool after they'd have won the league, but if we beat them at home it should put them to bed. I think we will lose to Brighton and Arsenal, not being a negative twat here I just never fancy us down Brighton and think they're a bad match up for us. But win the home games and we will be OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novocastrian Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 When I use the predictor apps I normally try and balance the results out with something unexpected, beat Ipswich, beat Brighton, draw with Chelsea, lose to Arsenal, beat Everton = 69 points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) Last 5 seasons have been 62, 66, 69, 67, 66 points to finish 5th. So quite variable but would be unlucky to need more than 66 points. So 2 more wins and a draw? Definitely 3 more wins should do it. Not sure if this season is likely to need an unusually high points total. Edited April 23 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Last 5 seasons have been 62, 66, 69, 67, 66 points to finish 5th. So quite variable but would be unlucky to need more than 66 points. So 2 more wins and a draw? Definitely 3 more wins should do it. Not sure if this season is likely to need an unusually high points total. That's not a exactly right though, because 4/5 could have finished on lower totals and still got 5th. 60, 66, 59, 63, 64 was the actual required totals. That puts the median required total a bit lower. However I'd say you are probably correct - I think the numbers of teams involved will push it to a higher overall total than usually expected. As is the fact that 5th is a CL place - this hasn't been the case previously. Edited April 23 by ponsaelius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 30 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: That's not a exactly right though, because 4/5 could have finished on lower totals and still got 5th. 60, 66, 59, 63, 64 was the actual required totals. That puts the median required total a bit lower. However I'd say you are probably correct - I think the numbers of teams involved will push it to a higher overall total than usually expected. As is the fact that 5th is a CL place - this hasn't been the case previously. It's quite the dilemma in terms of how you should look at it. In one way the teams finishing 5th could have done it with less points. Likewise any team below 5th would have needed to beat the points total (or equal + GD) of the 5th placed team. So, what is really the best way of looking at it? Both ways seems right and wrong at the same time. Edited April 23 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramirez Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Any previous points can only be used as a guide, the relative weakness of the top 2 compared to other years immediately makes the points available higher, for example when Man City and Liverpool both finished on over 90 it meant less pints dropped v chasing pack etc. Fulham should win at Southampton Saturday in the conference battle which keeps them interested at Villa, could maybe do with Villa getting to the final to cement Europa and hope that takes their eyes of the prize. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 24 minutes ago, Erikse said: It's quite the dilemma in terms of how you should look at it. In one way the teams finishing 5th could have done it with less points. Likewise any team below 5th would have needed to beat the points total of the 5th placed team. So, what is really the best way of looking at it? Both ways seems right and wrong at the same time. Yeah thought this with relegation, not sure how it's normally done? E.g. Last season Forest 32 ---- Luton 26 So was 27 points enough to survive? Well yes if you were a team other than Luton, but not if you were Luton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 There’s also a point in the season where looking at what previous points totals becomes a little bit irrelevant. It’s absolutely a good guide/target when looking earlier on in the season, but once you get to the last handful of games, it’s probably more relevant to look at rival teams and their fixtures and likely points totals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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