The Europeometer™ (2024/25) - NUFC Qualify for Conference League (at least)

[ExiledGeordie]

9 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

Robson and Hurst do my nappa in. Her whiney voice. Him all pompous. 

I tried after the Cup Final one but lasted 5 minutes. 

Especially when the pair of them hoy those effected 'f' bombs in. 

Robsons whiney voice does do my head in too, keeps saying “erm”. I don’t mind Hurst too much really though I know loads can’t hack him, each to their own etc. Corby and Norman are the best on there really.

[Sibierski]

12 hours ago, Fenham Mag said:

Yes Marmoush is class, but still, you’d rather Haaland not be fit for them in the run in.

 

 

 

Haaland injury is the sort of thing which will ignite Man City season. Marmoush up front who can actually press, and importantly drop into pockets and rotate with like Foden up top. 

 

I can see their football being a lot better and questions rightly asked for next season if Man City are better as an overall team (like 18-21) as a result than 22-25 where Haaland has been there.

[The Fountain]

2 hours ago, Sibierski said:

Haaland injury is the sort of thing which will ignite Man City season. Marmoush up front who can actually press, and importantly drop into pockets and rotate with like Foden up top. 

 

I can see their football being a lot better and questions rightly asked for next season if Man City are better as an overall team (like 18-21) as a result than 22-25 where Haaland has been there.

That'll be them left with a £500m a week bench warmer 

[SteV]

 

Obviously means absolutely nothing at present, but it’s still kinda interesting to see how things would stand if the season finished now.

[TRon]

6 hours ago, Sibierski said:

Haaland injury is the sort of thing which will ignite Man City season. Marmoush up front who can actually press, and importantly drop into pockets and rotate with like Foden up top. 

 

I can see their football being a lot better and questions rightly asked for next season if Man City are better as an overall team (like 18-21) as a result than 22-25 where Haaland has been there.

 

 

They looked a damn sight better with him on, think perversely it will help their season that Haaland is out.

[JT24]

1 minute ago, SteV said:

 

Obviously means absolutely nothing at present, but it’s still kinda interesting to see how things would stand if the season finished now.

Can somebody please explain how we have the same coefficient as Forest?

[Sibierski]

1st Seeds Real Madrid Home / PSG Away

2nd Seeds Juventus Home / Napoli Away

3rd Seeds Sporting Away / Marseille Home

4th Seeds Celtic Away / Bilbao Home

 

Probably be the ‘tough’ draw we end up with  

[healthyaddiction]

2 minutes ago, JT24 said:

Can somebody please explain how we have the same coefficient as Forest?

Maybe there is a minimum baseline amount based on league and we didn't do enough to to raise ourselves above the baseline?

[Dr.Spaceman]

4 minutes ago, JT24 said:

Can somebody please explain how we have the same coefficient as Forest?

 

Yeah, I must have missed the last time they were in Europe.

[SteV]

5 minutes ago, JT24 said:

Can somebody please explain how we have the same coefficient as Forest?

I wondered that.

 

Apparently you get whatever is HIGHEST between your club coefficient and 20% of your country coefficient. So because our club coefficient is lower than 22.2, we get that. Forest obviously get the same because their club coefficient is zero.

[Kilcline]

22 minutes ago, SteV said:

 

Obviously means absolutely nothing at present, but it’s still kinda interesting to see how things would stand if the season finished now.

Feel like we had our fun with the big boys last time and will hopefully become regulars so if we're in it, I'll take drawing the shittest/most beatable team in each pot please and save the tougher games for the quarter finals onwards 

[54]

Fulham losing is decent.

[The College Dropout]

Forest secured CL with that City win imo. Worst case scenario today was a draw. 
 

[Nobody]

14 hours ago, ExiledGeordie said:

Robsons whiney voice does do my head in too, keeps saying “erm”. I don’t mind Hurst too much really though I know loads can’t hack him, each to their own etc. Corby and Norman are the best on there really.

The fuck, Norman is the biggest fucking idiot I've ever heard. I occasionally listen to them when I'm starved for NUFC content, but whenever he's on I turn it off straight away.

[Hovagod]

10 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Forest secured CL with that City win imo. Worst case scenario today was a draw. 
 

Don't really get this. A point for Forest would have been better for us than them getting all three (whether or not you think it will be fruitful, we're chasing them) and a point for Manchester United would have meant nowt to us. 

 

Do think there's a tendency online to overthink about this sort of thing. Nothing about Man Utd's short or long term would have been altered with them picking up a draw or win tonight. 

[JigsawGoesToPieces]

From ESPN

 

What's the usual allocation for the Premier League?

At the start of every season, the Premier League's European allocation is:

Champions League: Places 1-4
Europa League: 5, FA Cup winners
Conference League: Carabao Cup winners

What does Newcastle winning the Carabao Cup mean?

Newcastle United are guaranteed a place in the Conference League after they beat Liverpool 2-1 in the Carabao Cup final on March 16.

So that makes the allocation:

Champions League: 1-4
Europa League: 5, FA Cup winners
Conference League: Newcastle United

However, if Newcastle (who are sixth) finish in the top five, they will play in the Champions League or the Europa League, and the Conference League place transfers to another team:

Champions League: 1-4
Europa League: 5, FA Cup winners
Conference League: 6

 

However, the above scenarios can also be affected by the FA Cup.

How about the FA Cup?

 

There are four teams left in the FA Cup: Crystal Palace, Aston Villa, Manchester City and Nottingham Forest. 

 

The winners of the competition qualify for the Europa League.

 

However, as with Newcastle, if the winners finish in the top five, the place transfers to the league, and that will almost certainly be the case Forest (third) lift the cup, and possibly if either Villa (ninth) or Man City (fifth) do so.

 

Champions League: 1-4
Europa League: 5, 6
Conference League: Newcastle United

 

If Palace, who are 12th, win the FA Cup, then it's very likely the league places will be unaltered:

Champions League: 1-4
Europa League: 5, Crystal Palace
Conference League: Newcastle United

 

But if both Newcastle and the winners of the FA Cup finish inside the top six, a Europa League place goes to sixth and the allocation for the Conference League drops down another place to seventh:

 

Champions League: 1-4
Europa League: 5, 6
Conference League: 7

 

<b>What if a Premier League team wins the Champions League?</b>

 

If Arsenal win the Champions League and finish inside the top four (the latter of which is almost certain), the places are unaltered. The place in the Champions League group stage reserved for the holders, which Arsenal will not need, goes to the highest-ranked team in the playoff round.

 

Champions League: 1-4
Europa League: 5, FA Cup winners
Conference League: Newcastle United

 

If Aston Villa win the Champions League, it could look a little different. If Villa -- who are ninth right now -- finish fifth, the Premier League would have five teams in the Champions League (seven teams in Europe as is standard) and it would surrender the place in the Europa League designated for Aston Villa by league position.

Champions League: 1-5
Europa League: FA Cup winners
Conference League: Newcastle United

If Aston Villa win the Champions League and finish sixth, the Premier League would have an eighth team in Europe, as they would not -- as it stands -- be in a domestic European place.

Champions League: 1-4, Aston Villa
Europa League: 5, FA Cup winners
Conference League: Newcastle United

 

What about if Newcastle United finish inside the top five, plus Aston Villa finish sixth and win the UCL? Villa would be in the Conference League place and the Premier League would give up that spot and have no team in the competition.

Champions League: 1-4, Aston Villa
Europa League: 5, FA Cup winners
Conference League: --

The scenarios would drop down one place if the FA Cup winners finish inside the top five.

So, if Villa finish sixth and win the UCL, the Premier League would give up a UEL place. If Villa were seventh, it would be the Conference League spot.

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, Hovagod said:

Don't really get this. A point for Forest would have been better for us than them getting all three (whether or not you think it will be fruitful, we're chasing them) and a point for Manchester United would have meant nowt to us. 

 

Do think there's a tendency online to overthink about this sort of thing. Nothing about Man Utd's short or long term would have been altered with them picking up a draw or win tonight. 

 

100%.

 

If we aim to get as close to the 70 point mark as we can, the rest will take of itself.

[Geogaddi]

I think Forest have got one of them champions league spots in the bag now. They have a decent run in as well. Us , Man City and Chelsea fighting for the two other spots . Villa have a really tough run in not to mention the other two cup competitions they are still in distracting them . It's in our hands though , win the games we should and we get top 5.

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Geogaddi

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Hovagod said:

Don't really get this. A point for Forest would have been better for us than them getting all three (whether or not you think it will be fruitful, we're chasing them) and a point for Manchester United would have meant nowt to us. 

 

Do think there's a tendency online to overthink about this sort of thing. Nothing about Man Utd's short or long term would have been altered with them picking up a draw or win tonight. 

I'm not talking about what I wanted. It's best for Forest to lose. But they were never going to lose to this Man U side. I gave up the goose on Forest when they beat City. They'll not finish any lower than 5th. They keep grinding out results, have tremendous belief, can defend, can score a goal etc. They've got tough fixtures but after that City game, I expect them to get it over the line. Comfortably too.

 

18 minutes ago, Geogaddi said:

I think Forest have got one of them champions league spots in the bag now , they have a decent run in as well. Us , Man City and Chelsea fighting for the two other spots . Villa have a really tough run in not to mention the other two cup competitions they are still in distracting them . 

It's between 4 clubs. Villa might get Europa but those 3 massive games means they won't get +3/+4 points against the rest to finish 5th. Don't think Fulham or Bournemouth will get 65+ points either.

 

It's us, Brighton, Chelsea and City. 2 of us. I think we can get to 68 points and that will be 5th minimum, nearly always is - comfortably too.

 

I'm only interested in the CL. The new format makes it worth £50m as a minimum and compounds our raising profile like no other. If we can keep our best players and add a couple quality players. I really think we close the distance to Arsenal and Liverpool (and City). We won't have the depth of the last 2 but it really closes. That's only possible with CL.

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by The College Dropout

[TRon]

I expected Forest to fall off, but underestimated how effectively they've defended most of the season. Should have probably given them more credit for that tbh, seems unlikely they'll drop out of CL places now unless they have a meltdown.

[Sibierski]

They’ve got the bit between their teeth now, so can stumble over line and secure top 5. Needs 3 sides to be consistent to end of season to overtake them, which I can’t see happening. They’ve done the hard work.

[kingxlnc]

They are a carbon copy of us 22/23 - extremely strong defensively. Wilson that season is like Wood for them this season. 
Even Pope was as good as Sels has been this season. 

[Kid Icarus]

We were a miles better side than this Forest one. It blows my mind that more teams haven't figured them out in the way that Howe has. 

[Tiresias]

22 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

We were a miles better side than this Forest one. It blows my mind that more teams haven't figured them out in the way that Howe has. 

 

I was listening to a podcast on this, and one person was arguing that people would change how they play against them next season, the other person asked how and seemed to suggest it's impossible to play against a low block as if it's some impossible to beat strategy. The first person quite reasonably said that if it wasn't beatable how come everyone doesn't play low block? 

 

It's clearly that the modern game with very attacking full backs does leave a lot of space for counter attacking teams and then when you get a pure one every now and again they do very well, see Leicester when they won. I'm always a bit surprised it doesn't happen more, but I think you need the right group of players who accept they are going to be spending most games camped in their own half of most games. If you get on a winning run like Forest did you get confidence and believe that's fine, if you don't it's very dispiriting. I think a lot of clubs are at an institutional level (hell I wonder if there is some pressure from Sky in terms of it as a product) resistant to playing overly 'negatively' to protect the brand but I don't think what Forest do is that unappealing at all, their attacks are fast and good to watch. 

 

But still, you need to just have a degree of patience and attentiveness to their threat in transition. I don't think they can be totally 'found out', it's not like every manager could have beaten them, they are hard to break down, and very good at taking their few chances, always going to get you plenty of points. The surprise is how much it has worked out, but that has been aided I think by the 'top' teams being pretty weak this season. Even Liverpool haven't looked a 'classic' side. The irony is Arsenal were all expecting to win this year and they tried to move to a more negative style of play and it's just meant they don't score as much as they should. If they had Chris Wood this season they'd probably still be in title race...

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Tiresias

[andyc35i]

25 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

We were a miles better side than this Forest one. It blows my mind that more teams haven't figured them out in the way that Howe has. 

Next year, you just cannot see Forest being any where near the points total they will get this season. The way they play is not sustainable and they need to become more front footed and change the style for ongoing success. It’s similar to how Leicester won the league, you eventually have to come out and try to dominate games. And as we’ve see, it’s very difficult to do in this league