The Europeometer™ (2024/25)

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

It'd be undeniably disappointing, but wouldn't detract from what a massive success this season has been.

It’s probably because we are as high as 3rd with 2 wks to go and could easily drop to 6th.

 

If we were yo-yoing between 4-6 for last few months would probably be an easier swallow.

 

I didn’t fancy us in the cup final at all so wasn’t disappointed for very long. Was just pleased we got over the line regards getting into the the final.

 

This one however is different as the outcome changes the gear change of the club by 2 seasons IMO. So as much as I’ve been pessimistic about us since the Liverpool result we are so close regardless… ? 

[BoSelecta]

29 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

You know how people accept that the Liverpool Suarez team bottled it or Arsenal last season bottled the top 4. That would be the defining narrative of the season and a unanimous L. That sticks with teams and managers. 

Didn’t seem to hamper either of those teams in subsequent season(s).

[ExiledGeordie]

19 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Reading this thread has become as depressing as fuck.
 

I’m a pessimist by nature but compared to the doom mongers in here I feel like I’m actually as cheery as Mr Tumbles double dropping ten pund cowies.

 

 

 

??

[Scotty66]

There are so many different scenarios in how we can make top 4. Including a defeat to Brighton at home. 

 

At this moment in time I would say in order our easiest games are -

 

1. Leicester (H) - has to be 3 points here. Failure to do so is simply not good enough. 

 

2. Chelsea (A) - We can get 3 points here. Would be disappointed if we didn't but a point could well be enough. We should not be getting beat though. 

 

3. Brighton (H) - A point would be decent. A win would be spectacular. Could be 0-0,could be 4-4,could be 0-3 could be 3-0.

Win the two games above though and this is essentially a free hit. 

 

Can't help but feeling Liverpool will drop points against Leicester or Villa, hence my thinking above. 

 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Scotty66

[ChrisJbarnes]

In the event that we got 5 points (ie a win and 2 draws), that would get us to 71 points. For us to NOT qualify for the CL in that scenario, Liverpool would have to win all their remaining games with a GD swing of at least 8 AND Man United would have to get 6+ points from their 3 games. 

 

Clearly that would be an excruciating final day at Chelsea but I would be hopeful we would get at least a win and 2 draws! 

 

Howay Leicester and Villa v Liverpool though!

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

2 hours ago, Ronaldo said:

Yep. The place is moribund.

 

I'm just hoping the good players that Leicester do have perform well for one game. A draw would be great, knock Liverpool back and keep Leicester with a chance of going down.

[ilikenewcastle]

Good to see the Chelsea game getting mentioned as it seems to be forgotten we have a very winnable game on the final day. 

[CPL]

I'll be on a plane! Please don't go to the last game of the season.

[ilikenewcastle]

Just now, CPL said:

I'll be on a plane! Please don't go to the last game of the season.

It would be a disgusting day, but it's still a decent safety net if we don't do the business in the next 2.

[Alberto2005]

At the very least we need to go into the last game with it in our own hands, going in to the last game all level or worse with Liverpool would be annoying.

[jackflap]

38 minutes ago, ilikenewcastle said:

Good to see the Chelsea game getting mentioned as it seems to be forgotten we have a very winnable game on the final day. 

 

If we haven't top 4 sewn up by then I'd be looking at an away game at Chelsea on more hope than optimism, saying pressure is a privilege is one thing....

If we go to Chelsea on the last day needing a win and do it then Howe will be the manager of the season IMO. Cup final/stave off relegation atmosphere needed on Thursday.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We absolutely have to just enjoy these final games and appreciate what has been an absolutely amazing season. 
 

Howe and the players have performed miracles this season and we’re in Europe. 
 

Anything too negative really has no place in the conversation. 

[et tu brute]

2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

We absolutely have to just enjoy these final games and appreciate what has been an absolutely amazing season. 
 

Howe and the players have performed miracles this season and we’re in Europe. 
 

Anything too negative really has no place in the conversation. 

9 points ahead with 5 games to play, I don't think I could not see that as anything but a negative. I'm not going to play holy war either, but I will be massively disappointed. Hopefully not come to that though. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I just think, massively disappointed in what? Yes, it’s better to be in the top 4 than not. But the players have played way beyond their level and we’d have absolutely nothing to complain about. 
 

Anyway, we’ll do it so it’s OK. 

[wormy]

You have to wonder if Eddie has made his position untenable when we finish below Brighton. Unacceptable, really. 

[Ketsbaia]

2 hours ago, Geogaddi said:

No getting away from that fact we’ve had a brilliant season but finishing 5th now after the position we were in a few weeks ago would feel like a massive disappointment.

 

For me, it'd be like when I'm obsessed with a TV show but it ends badly, so I'll inevitably never re-watch that show again. If we finish 5th, the pain will be so strong that I'll try to forget it ever happened.... that'll be called 'wrong' but whatever, we all deal with things differently  

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, LFEE said:

…And posters on here as you and @Optimistic Nut had us done and dusted ?

 

Never forget … ?

If we don’t get it we’ve utterly bottled it. 
 

We should get there and I still expect us too.  We are substantially better than Leicester and Chelsea. 

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Alberto2005 said:

At the very least we need to go into the last game with it in our own hands, going in to the last game all level or worse with Liverpool would be annoying.

It will be in our own hands if we beat Leicester. If we don’t beat Leicester we have bottled it anyway. 
 

The Brighton result matters in terms of momentum and confidence.  It’s not a free hit. 
 

32 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

9 points ahead with 5 games to play, I don't think I could not see that as anything but a negative. I'm not going to play holy war either, but I will be massively disappointed. Hopefully not come to that though. 

This much is obvious. 

[Alberto2005]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

It will be in our own hands if we beat Leicester. If we don’t beat Leicester we have bottled it anyway. 
 

The Brighton result matters in terms of momentum and confidence.  It’s not a free hit. 
 

This much is obvious. 

I'd like at least a point advantage I've already decided Liverpool will beat Southampton 9-0.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

2 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

I'd like at least a point advantage I've already decided Liverpool will beat Southampton 9-0.

Adam Armstrong scores a last minute consolation to keep us ahead on goal difference 

[BonesJones]

Thinking about the Chelsea game, if it comes down to the final day, it will still be Lampard in charge and there's no way Eddie is getting outdone tactically you'd think. Plus they have nothing to play for, so the game is really there for the taking if we turn up as the team that we've consistently seen this season. I see it as the easier 3 points than the Brighton game at home.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I always thought the forum would be more enjoyable if we were good

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, BonesJones said:

Thinking about the Chelsea game, if it comes down to the final day, it will still be Lampard in charge and there's no way Eddie is getting outdone tactically you'd think. Plus they have nothing to play for, so the game is really there for the taking if we turn up as the team that we've consistently seen this season. I see it as the easier 3 points than the Brighton game at home.

Chelsea are shit with the worst manager in the league. 
 

The problem is our own nerves and performances.  If we need to win it would mean we’ve won 1 in the last 4 before it and have Liverpool winning 8 in a row most likely.  

[Stottie]

I'm still confident, its still in our hands with winnable games left, and am in the "we've blown a fantastic chance if we don't" camp.

 

However, the easiest way to blow a fantastic chance is to have a non-CL squad to start with and be hampered by FFP when it looks like its on. If Tottenham, Liverpool etc. are chasing CL and a bit light, they do not buy minus one player in January. We did, and it was all we could do after years of squad and commercial mismanagement, in a system that is rigged to help established clubs. In spite of this, most of these clubs show contempt to PL and can't wait for a super league to start up. 

 

Whatever happens, CL or no CL, they will be disparaging comments from others, so just ignore them.

[TRon]

6 hours ago, ilikenewcastle said:

Good to see the Chelsea game getting mentioned as it seems to be forgotten we have a very winnable game on the final day. 

 

Any game is winnable, but I'd prefer not having to rely on beating a team full of international superstars on their own patch tbh. Especially if they know they can deny us the CL place which they assumed was theirs by right over the last couple of decades.

 

At this point I'm pinning my hopes that Liverpool will come a cropper in their next game or two just to ease the pressure. To me none of our remaining games look easy, although a couple of weeks ago with a fully functioning midfield I'd have fancied us to win all of them.