Anthony Gordon (now playing for FC Barcelona)

[duo]

I don't doubt his ability we've just not seen enough of it since last season. His body language says it all imo. Sell if the right money is offered 

 

 

Edited April 17 by duo

[Fak]

Nowt mentioned in this mornings presser?

[Deuce]

19 hours ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said:

Might not have specifically pushed for the move but he certainly isn't interested in putting the effort in on the pitch.

I genuinely don’t know what this opinion is based on. Like we’re watching completely different matches.

[Zero]

There is a part re players commitment. 
 

I don’t think it’s a proper way to express his idea though. 

[nufcjmc]

Just now, Deuce said:

I genuinely don’t know what this opinion is based on. Like we’re watching completely different matches.

You haven't seen him stay on the floor while we are being broken on? 

 

You haven't seen him fail to track back when attempting to defend as a team?

 

You haven't seen him get given the ball it bounce off his foot and the other team as a result win the ball high up in our half but him not attempt to get the ball back?

 

Not saying none of this isnt instructional from the gaffer at times or him tying to learn from that Liverpool red for rushing in headless chicken style.

 

However we know whens he's at his best he has the engine to do it all but appears to now pick and chose when to do it.

[Beren]

1 minute ago, nufcjmc said:

You haven't seen him stay on the floor while we are being broken on? 

 

You haven't seen him fail to track back when attempting to defend as a team?

 

You haven't seen him get given the ball it bounce off his foot and the other team as a result win the ball high up in our half but him not attempt to get the ball back?

 

Not saying none of this isnt instructional from the gaffer at times or him tying to learn from that Liverpool red for rushing in headless chicken style.

 

However we know whens he's at his best he has the engine to do it all but appears to now pick and chose when to do it.

 

This is pish IMO. He tracks back all the time and works so hard for the team (although I don't agree with how he is deployed to press, but that is a tactical instruction from Howe no doubt). He is penalised for being fast and making lung-busting runs because he can't do it for 90 minutes straight.

[TheEntertainer]

He does lie around on the floor when he doesn't get a freekick a lot, but I think that's more petulance than lack of effort or desire. 

[Beren]

Gordon has been one of the few bright spots in a drab season. The ask for him to 'shine even brighter' rather than looking at the utter dross served up by the likes of Barnes, Willock and Murphy is wild. We've seen how hard it is to recruit players who can destabilise defences consistently (Elanga, Wissa and even our dear Woltemade*) - why on earth would you accept even £80m for Gordon when the chances of his replacement being up to snuff is a complete lottery.

 

 

*- still hoping he can end the season strong 

[HawK]

As a player I've never been Gordon's biggest fan. But, I think we're going to miss him massively if he goes imho.

[nufcjmc]

6 minutes ago, Beren said:

 

This is pish IMO. He tracks back all the time and works so hard for the team (although I don't agree with how he is deployed to press, but that is a tactical instruction from Howe no doubt). He is penalised for being fast and making lung-busting runs because he can't do it for 90 minutes straight.

It's not pish it happens he's an attacking player it's the opposition job to disrupt and get the ball off him I get that. 

 

Not saying he needs to do gut busting runs for 90 mins but I think Howe has said himself he likes 4-3-3 so much because we attack and defend as a team. 

 

Highlights to the Everton game here he's not responsible for the second goal but he isn't doing any defending either. I dont have the time or will to fish through more instances but you just have to scan match day threads to see hes had as many sub par games in the last 18 months than good ones. 

 

Again not saying none of this isnt instructional but my point is he is very capable as a complete player offensively and defensively but we dont see it all the time. 

 

 

[mouldy_uk]

1 hour ago, HawK said:

As a player I've never been Gordon's biggest fan. But, I think we're going to miss him massively if he goes imho.

IF we get a decent/better replacement, I doubt many will talk about him in a few seasons time. 
 

On his day top tier, but those days are few and far between. 

[Earp]

2 hours ago, Beren said:

 

This is pish IMO. He tracks back all the time and works so hard for the team (although I don't agree with how he is deployed to press, but that is a tactical instruction from Howe no doubt). He is penalised for being fast and making lung-busting runs because he can't do it for 90 minutes straight.

I must admit I dont see a lack of effort. I think he gets unfairly criticised for this.

[Paully]

If he wants away then get rid asap when the window - 3 goals in open play in 14 months and he thinks he’s outgrown us!?

 

The same applies to anyone else who doesn’t want to play for us - there is the door, see you! 

[TK-421]

Only problem this summer is the World Cup. Transfer Window doesn't open till 15th June, so Gordon and/or anyone else being linked away will already be away for it (providing they're selected).

Of course, we won't be the only ones affected with the situation.

[Beren]

2 hours ago, nufcjmc said:

I dont have the time or will to fish through more instances

 

I don't blame you tbf - I think you and I are both liable to overindex on instances where he does/doesn't track back to support our view, and be more dismissive of instances of the opposite.

 

I'm not a stats-person, but I'd be interested to see how many sprints he does per game vs the rest of the team/league, and how much ground he covers in general.

 

Not sure if that type of information is publicly available.

 

 

 

 

[PauloGeordio]

Eddie Howe on conversations he's had with Anthony Gordon around the recent transfer links: "One thing I'm not going to do is play any player if I don't feel they're 100 percent committed."

[alexf]

4 hours ago, Beren said:

Gordon has been one of the few bright spots in a drab season. The ask for him to 'shine even brighter' rather than looking at the utter dross served up by the likes of Barnes, Willock and Murphy is wild. We've seen how hard it is to recruit players who can destabilise defences consistently (Elanga, Wissa and even our dear Woltemade*) - why on earth would you accept even £80m for Gordon when the chances of his replacement being up to snuff is a complete lottery.

 

 

*- still hoping he can end the season strong 

I think this is recency bias. Barnes for long periods was far more effective than Gordon as a left winger and lots were begging him to be played their instead of Gordon. But it seemed there was a reluctance from Howe to play Gordon on the right because he didn't want to. 

 

However Barnes' form ironically dropped off a cliff once he finally started getting starts on the left this season. 

 

There were plenty of times Gordon wasn't bothering his arse to track back when playing on the left, staying down and pretending to be injured when he hasn't been touched. Whether he was told to stay forward by the manager is a different question but to the eye he wasn't tracking runners etc. 

 

Having said all that, once moved back to the striker role after the first failed attempt earlier in the season hisnform has been strong and gave a lot for the team. 

 

He is still an asset regardless of his attitude or his fluctuating form. He will be a big miss if he goes of course. 

[TRon]

2 hours ago, Earp said:

I must admit I dont see a lack of effort. I think he gets unfairly criticised for this.

 

 

I am in the same camp tbh, but I rarely get to games these days. If he's slacking off in the defensive duties it's usually more apparent in the flesh. 

[Andy]

He's been pretty poor playing off the left for the best part of two seasons. You could probably count on one hand the amount of great games he's had in that position in the league; Barnes has had far more in that time I'd say, for all he hasn't been amazing at times either. 

 

The problem we have is that we can't buy/replace an entire team. There's already a huge amount of work to do without replacing Gordon as well. 

[toon25]

35 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said:

Eddie Howe on conversations he's had with Anthony Gordon around the recent transfer links: "One thing I'm not going to do is play any player if I don't feel they're 100 percent committed."

 

 

[duo]

Thinking about £££ more like bet he's on good wages

[nufcjmc]

2 hours ago, Beren said:

 

I don't blame you tbf - I think you and I are both liable to overindex on instances where he does/doesn't track back to support our view, and be more dismissive of instances of the opposite.

 

I'm not a stats-person, but I'd be interested to see how many sprints he does per game vs the rest of the team/league, and how much ground he covers in general.

 

Not sure if that type of information is publicly available.

 

 

 

 

I think we all recall what we want to in the moment to fit a narrative. I remember years ago on here badly losing a debate over thinking dyer was a lazy piece of shit who badly let the manager down and never lived up to his full potential. 

 

I dont have a fixed opinion lazy or not  on gordon I like his energy, his pace, his want to take people on, his penalty taking his ability to draw somewhat suspect fouls. He's not our biggest issue or the worse performer either. 

 

Being the rats mate  lack of open play goals for more than this season and the ability to shine so brightly for us in moments and at times seem to just disappear in others to may makes it seem he can perform at a high level but doesn't at times like it's a switch to turn on. Not saying that's not without factors like the general performance of the team within games or the managers instructions or that he has had to move left, right and central this season sometimes within games.

 

I know I said I wouldn't look but last weekend about a min into this clip he leaves hall alone stays high walks back and they nearly score.

 

https://youtu.be/5w7dsxykU98?si=I6do1v8VAdqWecaE

 

Again not saying it's not instructional from the manager to stay high so we have an outlet to press and counter just annoys me if it is as hall is being pulled centrally and them staying out wide with gordon not there so much free space. 

[Beren]

That clip is definitely a bad look for him!

[The Butcher]

Injured?

[TRon]

1 minute ago, The Butcher said:

Injured?

 

Howe was mentioning yesterday that he was not going to play anyone who wasn't 100% committed when asked about Gordon yesterday.