Solitude20 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 24 minutes ago, duo said: I think he'll play Soton - two weeks training will be more than enough Yeah it will be Barnes as LW and Murphy on RW, Gordon is coming in at the 69th minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 3 minutes ago, Hudson said: 10 year contracts, now that’s really worrying. 10 years? Fuck me that’s too long, he’ll get complacent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 2 hours ago, Joelinton7 said: He’s back. Now let’s stop the waffling The Johnny Drama tee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Either this lot are truly ITK with regards to Gordon, or they are properly clutching at straws to see him make the switch to Klanfield. https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-hand-liverpool-unintended-transfer-29683051 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 No chance we are selling Gordon now - he was our biggest creative outlet last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Keeling over by the slightest touch in the box to win a penalty is being a creative outlet? He's ruthless, effective and hard working, but creative isn't a label I'd put on him personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 1 minute ago, Conjo said: Keeling over by the slightest touch in the box to win a penalty is being a creative outlet? He's ruthless, effective and hard working, but creative isn't a label I'd put on him personally. Third most assists in the Premier League last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 13 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said: Third most assists in the Premier League last season. Excluding the 5 (I think) pens that he won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 19 minutes ago, Conjo said: Keeling over by the slightest touch in the box to win a penalty is being a creative outlet? He's ruthless, effective and hard working, but creative isn't a label I'd put on him personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 26 minutes ago, Conjo said: Keeling over by the slightest touch in the box to win a penalty is being a creative outlet? He's ruthless, effective and hard working, but creative isn't a label I'd put on him personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 2 minutes ago, healthyaddiction said: Third most assists in the Premier League last season. If you go back and look at his assists, they aren't a result of him being a creative player. Either easy lay offs after working hard for the ball or whipped crosses for the most part. Didn't he win almost as many penalties as he got assists? If they counted as assists his numbers would have looked absolutely ridiculous, but he do fall over easy to win them many times, hence my comment. This isn't intended to shit on him before any white knights chirps in. He's a great player. He just isn't what I consider a creative player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 His movement off the ball is extremely creative Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 3 minutes ago, Conjo said: they aren't a result of him being a creative player. Either easy lay offs after working hard for the ball or whipped crosses for the most part. That's literally being a creative player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 3 minutes ago, Conjo said: If you go back and look at his assists, they aren't a result of him being a creative player. Either easy lay offs after working hard for the ball or whipped crosses for the most part. Didn't he win almost as many penalties as he got assists? If they counted as assists his numbers would have looked absolutely ridiculous, but he do fall over easy to win them many times, hence my comment. This isn't intended to shit on him before any white knights chirps in. He's a great player. He just isn't what I consider a creative player. I'd need to look back at his penalties, but I don't remember him diving. He's just sharper and gets in ahead of people. I think it's a harsh criticism. I also think you might have a narrow definition of creativity. He creates goals, entirely from open play as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 When I think of creative players it's the Bruno types who can split open a defence with a pass nobody else sees or predicts, or dribbles past players in unconventional ways like Isak and HBA. Maybe I do have a narrow definition of what creativity means, or just very high standards Nothing to see here. I love Gordon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 1 minute ago, Conjo said: Maybe I do have a narrow definition of what creativity means, or just very high standards Yeah, think that's what it is. Ultimately there's many ways to be creative. Can slide a pass through a defence, or can run into the box at pass and force a pen or pass the ball across the face. Are some more aesthetically pleasing? Totally. But you can't argue with Gordon's effectiveness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Gordon is so intelligent with how he reads space that I could see him become more creative with his passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 3 minutes ago, Conjo said: When I think of creative players it's the Bruno types who can split open a defence with a pass nobody else sees or predicts, or dribbles past players in unconventional ways like Isak and HBA. Maybe I do have a narrow definition of what creativity means, or just very high standards Nothing to see here. I love Gordon. It's hard for players playing as forwards to dribble past a few players or play defence-splitting through balls, because they're so far forward anyway. Quite simply there's nobody to play forward to, and if they dribble past a couple of players they're probably clean through on goal and will shoot. Isak had one crazy assist against Everton (I refuse to acknowledge the official line of it not being an assist) but to do that he started on the half way line. Aside from that, I can't recall anything that fits your criteria from him either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 2 minutes ago, Chris_R said: It's hard for players playing as forwards to dribble past a few players or play defence-splitting through balls, because they're so far forward anyway. Quite simply there's nobody to play forward to, and if they dribble past a couple of players they're probably clean through on goal and will shoot. Isak had one crazy assist against Everton (I refuse to acknowledge the official line of it not being an assist) but to do that he started on the half way line. Aside from that, I can't recall anything that fits your criteria from him either. Gordon’s assist at anfield for Isak was a combination of dribbling + defence splitting pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrymac1966 Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 Bit childish fella. Everton are as good a club as exists outside of the Cartel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 3 minutes ago, Chris_R said: It's hard for players playing as forwards to dribble past a few players or play defence-splitting through balls, because they're so far forward anyway. Quite simply there's nobody to play forward to, and if they dribble past a couple of players they're probably clean through on goal and will shoot. Isak had one crazy assist against Everton (I refuse to acknowledge the official line of it not being an assist) but to do that he started on the half way line. Aside from that, I can't recall anything that fits your criteria from him either. Through ball to Barnes against West Ham last season f.ex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 39 minutes ago, Terrymac1966 said: Bit childish fella. Everton are as good a club as exists outside of the Cartel. What's that in relation to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 7 hours ago, Conjo said: If you go back and look at his assists, they aren't a result of him being a creative player. Either easy lay offs after working hard for the ball or whipped crosses for the most part. Didn't he win almost as many penalties as he got assists? If they counted as assists his numbers would have looked absolutely ridiculous, but he do fall over easy to win them many times, hence my comment. This isn't intended to shit on him before any white knights chirps in. He's a great player. He just isn't what I consider a creative player. So you don’t think being that constant outlet then often gathering the ball, driving down the left putting them on the back foot before making space to either get a shot off or assisting someone else isn’t being creative. What do you want him to do, stop and bake a cake whilst doing it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 I understand what he means. Sure he creates chances, but the way he does it is, albeit effective, relatively predictable. Creativity suggests something inventive, outside of the ordinary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Just now, simonsays said: I understand what he means. Sure he creates chances, but the way he does it is, albeit effective, relatively predictable. Creativity suggests something inventive, outside of the ordinary. For me, that's what I would call 'flair'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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