Hovagod Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, magorific said: And you include the Ashley 10k ST freebie mob in that, yes? Well, I don’t know what happened there? If they paid for a season ticket in 2020/21 or 2021/22, then yes I include them Edited February 15, 2023 by Hovagod Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Possible ideas include ID checks or official reselling, so only the person who physically attends a game gets loyalty points. Loyalty points for other things than away games. Points that expire over time. A percentage of tickets held back for non-ST holders. Different categories of away games with different criteria. There are probably others. The question is if you think it's a problem that the same few fans get priority on everything. Personally I think it's very unfair that the lucky few get everything, but I would say that since I can't get a ST Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie1892 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 anyone else getting an error when checking the online box office? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 20 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Possible ideas include ID checks or official reselling, so only the person who physically attends a game gets loyalty points. Loyalty points for other things than away games. Points that expire over time. A percentage of tickets held back for non-ST holders. Different categories of away games with different criteria. There are probably others. The question is if you think it's a problem that the same few fans get priority on everything. Personally I think it's very unfair that the lucky few get everything, but I would say that since I can't get a ST Maybe do period ballots for away games with set amounts avail for people with points (guaranteed a seat providing they get in quick) and then say a decent chunk go to ballot to either members or season ticket holders? I know I’m suggesting this after being grumpy I didn’t get a ticket in P4 but it might just work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 5 hours ago, Hovagod said: All of which doesn't really matter. The point is that nobody without a season ticket should have got tickets ahead of season ticket holders. Newcastle have roughly thirty thousand tickets and thirty thousand season ticket holders. In the entire history of cup final allocations across the entire country, I don't think that this has ever been a remotely controversial stance. And there lies the problem as there over 35K ST holders and under 33K Final tickets so not every ST holder would be guaranteed one so there has to be further criteria based on loyalty (points P1&2) and the club has historically always rewarded those who went to the actual cup ties regardless of league game attendance hence the other P’s. My only surprise is people are surprised how they set up the criteria as it was always going to be something based on what I’ve said above. Your assertion about ST > Cup games with regards to NUFC cup finals is not correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, LFEE said: And there lies the problem as there over 35K ST holders and under 33K Final tickets so not every ST holder would be guaranteed one so there has to be further criteria based on loyalty (points P1&2) and the club has historically always rewarded those who went to the actual cup ties regardless of league game attendance hence the other P’s. My only surprise is people are surprised how they set up the criteria as it was always going to be something based on what I’ve said above. Your assertion about ST > Cup games with regards to NUFC cup finals is not correct. How many non-season ticket holders got tickets for the finals in the 90s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 55 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said: The loyalty points won’t change sadly, the ‘Trust’ made their stance quite clear on that. (not advocating people lose them btw). The way I see it, as @Heronsuggested, is bringing in a system that allows people to accumulate points by other means - ST renewal, cup games etc. If there was a way to ensure the person using the ticket was the person attending would be mint too, but no idea how that would work. I think Brighton have a certain % of away fans have to pick them up with ID at away ground? Could be wrong. The last thing we want to do is shut out the next generation of fan because someone is hoarding loads of points. I know a good few people that buy an away ticket every single game but literally go to one or two a season at a push. That can’t be fair, surely? A mate of mine is a Brighton ST Holder and I'm led to believe they've really cracked down on the issue of unauthorised reselling of tickets by undertaking genuine (rather than token) ID checks and any guys seen to have sold their tickets on lose loyalty points and he reckons they get a 10 game ban from attending the Amex Stadium. Not sure how accurate that is, I've never bothered to check, but if Brighton are doing that or something along those lines, it's a fair bet we'll be thinking of implementing something similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Personally, I think non-season ticket holders should be wrapped in a bin bag and chucked in the Tyne. Vermin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: Personally, I think non-season ticket holders should be wrapped in a bin bag and chucked in the Tyne. Vermin. Strap them face up to the quayside pavement under the Tyne bridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 19 minutes ago, Hovagod said: How many non-season ticket holders got tickets for the finals in the 90s? None officially. I was a ST holder for both finals and I didn’t get a sniff for either. Went to all three semis and the charity shield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Would like to know how many ticket applications there were altogether like, must have been over 50k? That fitted the criteria in any of the periods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 18 minutes ago, Minhosa said: A mate of mine is a Brighton ST Holder and I'm led to believe they've really cracked down on the issue of unauthorised reselling of tickets by undertaking genuine (rather than token) ID checks and any guys seen to have sold their tickets on lose loyalty points and he reckons they get a 10 game ban from attending the Amex Stadium. Not sure how accurate that is, I've never bothered to check, but if Brighton are doing that or something along those lines, it's a fair bet we'll be thinking of implementing something similar. Has to be done really. You can’t have people keeping season tickets for convenience or getting loyalty points off other people’s money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Tickets just came through the door ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, Hovagod said: How many non-season ticket holders got tickets for the finals in the 90s? The ones that bought the cup ticket packages along with their STs got priority or the ones without STs who paid for the clubs travel packages. There were ST holders that didn’t get Final tickets. Back in the 90’s our ground only held 36k which you then took 2k away for away fans. We never got 34K final tickets as old Wembley capacity was 80k. So the point I’m making still stands. Cup purchase history has always been important to the club. As has means to go to a final without a ST. The margins of allocations and the haves and have nots were smaller then hence very little to none complaining. Life/Football has changed however. You didn’t get groups of families going with kids etc in groups of 4/6/8. I’ve read on here from various people I couldn’t go without the kids/other half etc etc. As if that’s was the attitude of the 90’s ? Half the reason you went to the match was to get away from them for a few hours ? So fast forward next final (hopefully in my lifetime) and all ST holders have bought ALL possible home cup round tickets. The club will still have to prioritise anyone attending away cup ties so that will go back to those who have loyalty points. So that leaves people unhappy. Then if the ground is expanded do they bother to increase ST holder amounts knowing it gives them a bigger headache? Or does there concern lie with the other part of the fan base buying tickets via membership and general sale and how do they not lock them out in the future and keep them engaged for attending cup games etc? Taking a step back the way they have split the tickets they have had all these factors in mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 25 minutes ago, Minhosa said: A mate of mine is a Brighton ST Holder and I'm led to believe they've really cracked down on the issue of unauthorised reselling of tickets by undertaking genuine (rather than token) ID checks and any guys seen to have sold their tickets on lose loyalty points and he reckons they get a 10 game ban from attending the Amex Stadium. Not sure how accurate that is, I've never bothered to check, but if Brighton are doing that or something along those lines, it's a fair bet we'll be thinking of implementing something similar. Interesting. I was having this discussion the other day. Footylimbs and goal celebrations seem to have improved (perhaps due to faking the celebration courtesy of social media and throwing pints etc?). However, with that it does seem that attendances across the whole pyramid are up home and away. You’d never have thought a club like Brighton would be a PL club with 25-30,000 at each home game and having a decent-ish away following. Clearly they do if there is reselling going on. Football really does seem to be absolutely massive these days doesn’t it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) The away games points will calm down next season I reckon and certainly over the next few years, it's all just new at the minute that we are actually doing well so everyone wants to be part of it, plus if we get into Europe people are likely to prioritise a European away game over a league away game. Edited February 15, 2023 by Geogaddi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, jack j said: Tickets just came through the door ? What period were you in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 i thinks its time the clubs pushed the FA on cup final ticket allocations. does the carabao cup really need 30k tickets to neutral, corporate etc. especially as most neutrals i know with club wmbley tickets have sold them on to manu or nufc fans. also isnt the fa cup final allocation only about 20k tickets per team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, Scoot said: What period were you in? Period one last Monday I ordered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, huss9 said: i thinks its time the clubs pushed the FA on cup final ticket allocations. does the carabao cup really need 30k tickets to neutral, corporate etc. especially as most neutrals i know with club wmbley tickets have sold them on to manu or nufc fans. also isnt the fa cup final allocation only about 20k tickets per team? It was 30,500 last year. Increased by 2/3k from previous years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Hovagod said: I don't understand the constant use of this line. Of course somebody will lose out. The point is that, in this case, a section of those that have lost out have done so unnecessarily and unfairly. It's not 'whatever happens', it's 'whatever did happen in this specific case'. Again, why is it unfair? Any season ticket holder who wanted to go had the change to guarantee themselves a ticket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Dr Venkman said: Ridiculous situation in our group. About ten of us entered ballot, across different periods. Only person who got a ticket lives in Australia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 hours ago, TheGuv said: Genuinely baffles me how many blokes in their 30s and 40s (who have wives and children) go every week. I’m amazed they’re still married That’s what I loved about the away days as a younger bloke. 16-21 year old, saving up your money, buying a ticket with all your mates and going on a dreadful bus full of bigger and harder radgies than you. Sadly, that experience will occur less and less as the club becomes a closed shop - IF this isn’t dealt with properly. Been humming and harring a lot since going to the NUST AGM, but I’m really starting to think I might stand at the next AGM. Ticketing is the number 1 issue for its supporters - and the outcry from yesterday looks like the majority aren’t happy. It’s only going to get worse. It needs addressed properly now and I’m not sure I have the utmost faith in it being addressed efficiently and transparently after reading the AGM minutes. Would definitely get my vote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, jack j said: Period one last Monday I ordered Aye same, hopefully mine is there when I get in from work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 so not E-tickets then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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