mouldy_uk Posted Monday at 11:31 Share Posted Monday at 11:31 Scrap the financial rules We drop a few billion on players Win everything Football collapses Game over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stal Posted Monday at 11:43 Share Posted Monday at 11:43 When this news dropped I got a little excited and went to Youtube to find someone who had a clue to maybe give me a rundown. Typing in "apt" was a mistake as all I got was that overplayed "meet me at the..." fucking song. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted Monday at 13:09 Share Posted Monday at 13:09 2 hours ago, Shak said: The crux of the argument is that you need financial rules that hand a massive advantage to some clubs because without them it could potentially hand a massive advantage to some clubs. That's very close but I'd tweak it a bit. When you examine the loyalties of those complaining, what they're really saying is "We need rules that hand a massive advantage to MY club because without them it could potentially hand a massive advantage to OTHER clubs" They've tried to pull the ladder up but now noticed that someone's holding onto the bottom rung. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted Monday at 13:38 Share Posted Monday at 13:38 Just add a tax on those wanting to spend. £100m sponsor? That's fine. £5m goes to grass roots and £5m goes to EFL clubs. £90m to the club. £1m PL admin fee. Let the whole pyramid vote on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teslact Posted Monday at 17:53 Share Posted Monday at 17:53 4 hours ago, Dokko said: Just add a tax on those wanting to spend. £100m sponsor? That's fine. £5m goes to grass roots and £5m goes to EFL clubs. £90m to the club. £1m PL admin fee. Let the whole pyramid vote on it. You've just magiced out of thin air 1m. Isn't that the crux of the charges against City? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted Monday at 22:12 Share Posted Monday at 22:12 Quell surprise Miguel Delaney cheerleading anonymous PL executive saying competition law should be drafted separately for football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted Monday at 23:32 Share Posted Monday at 23:32 Boils my piss how this PSR charade with a serving of APT and FMV to stiffle any and all competition keeps getting championed in the interest of fair competition when it is expressly designed to stop that very thing. Fair competition would see a spending cap for all, no more no less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted Monday at 23:47 Share Posted Monday at 23:47 13 minutes ago, Unbelievable said: Boils my piss how this PSR charade with a serving of APT and FMV to stiffle any and all competition keeps getting championed in the interest of fair competition when it is expressly designed to stop that very thing. Fair competition would see a spending cap for all, no more no less. Anything that stifles fair competition in business is surely not legal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted Monday at 23:59 Share Posted Monday at 23:59 7 minutes ago, duo said: Anything that stifles fair competition in business is surely not legal It can be if it's deemed to be in the public interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted Tuesday at 06:39 Share Posted Tuesday at 06:39 (edited) 7 hours ago, Unbelievable said: Boils my piss how this PSR charade with a serving of APT and FMV to stiffle any and all competition keeps getting championed in the interest of fair competition when it is expressly designed to stop that very thing. Fair competition would see a spending cap for all, no more no less. Saw some absolute glebe of a so-called expert on Sky talk about the scrapping of FMV/APT/PSR like it would be the end of the PL as we know it. ”Look at your Nottinghams, your Bournemouths and Fulhams this season! Do we really want to lose that competitive equality that makes this the best league in the world? For what? To benefit only a select few?” Does anyone wanna fucking get this guy clued up before being paid to talk on tv or what? Infuriating. Edited Tuesday at 06:40 by McCormick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted Tuesday at 06:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 06:45 4 minutes ago, McCormick said: Saw some absolute glebe of a so-called expert on Sky talk about the scrapping of FMV/APT/PSR like it would be the end of the PL as we know it. ”Look at your Nottinghams, your Bournemouths and Fulhams this season! Do we really want to lose that competitive equality that makes this the best league in the world? For what? To benefit only a select few?” Does anyone wanna fucking get this guy clued up before being paid to talk on tv or what? Infuriating. Who was the expert? I wonder if he supports one of the incumbents. Unlike the cartel clubs I don't need the deck to be rigged in our favour I just want a fair chance to spend what anyone else can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted Tuesday at 08:08 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:08 No idea. I use the term expert very loosely; he was some clueless well-groomed presenter type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted Tuesday at 09:32 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:32 You can see a driven narrative emerging from multiple sources now. Adjusting, scrapping FMV/APT/PSR would make the league unfair, ignoring the fact the league is already massively and corruptly unfair. Driven by the Septic Six and Sky/Premier League ? Who knows but the positions are being set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted Tuesday at 09:38 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:38 5 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said: You can see a driven narrative emerging from multiple sources now. Adjusting, scrapping FMV/APT/PSR would make the league unfair, ignoring the fact the league is already massively and corruptly unfair. Driven by the Septic Six and Sky/Premier League ? Who knows but the positions are being set. Panic mode setting in... The league is already unfair, as if people cant see through the nonsense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted Tuesday at 09:42 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:42 FMV/APT/PSR is fine if they make it a level playing field. But at the moment its all based on revenue. Make it each team can spend "Insert max amount" but to spend it you have to have some funds locked away in a sperate account that can only be used so the club does not go under or something? was that not the selling point of the rules to stop clubs going bankrupt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted Tuesday at 09:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 09:45 I like the idea of a sort of transfer tax that someone mentioned on here. 100 m spend gets a 5 mil tax band and it goes to the grass roots, 150 m and money goes to the womens game, 200 mil and it goes to the lowers leagues, etc. Something like that I think, would work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted Tuesday at 10:49 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:49 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted Tuesday at 10:51 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:51 10 hours ago, Jackie Broon said: It can be if it's deemed to be in the public interest. Not sure how dragging these cases through the courts at massive expense is in anyone's interests, least of all the PL's. I can understand the cartel are trying to protect their interests, but it looks like a losing battle to me, and I doubt the govt is about to step in when there is so much outside capital at stake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppy Chop Chop Posted Tuesday at 10:51 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:51 I'm totally lost (every time i look at this thread) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted Tuesday at 10:55 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:55 1 minute ago, Choppy Chop Chop said: I'm totally lost (every time i look at this thread) Same. I used to take an interest in it but the whole thing just seems a complete clusterfuck. Claims, counter claims, rules that are void some that aren't, more claims and counter claims. I can't be arsed with it anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted Tuesday at 10:56 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:56 Just now, TRon said: Not sure how dragging these cases through the courts at massive expense is in anyone's interests, least of all the PL's. I can understand the cartel are trying to protect their interests, but it looks like a losing battle to me, and I doubt the govt is about to step in when there is so much outside capital at stake. The public interest test would be something to be argued out in court / tribunals though, and has to an extent in Man City's APT case with the tribunal finding that in principle it is in the public interest for their to be such controls over football clubs finances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted Tuesday at 11:01 Share Posted Tuesday at 11:01 1 minute ago, Jackie Broon said: The public interest test would be something to be argued out in court / tribunals though, and has to an extent in Man City's APT case with the tribunal finding that in principle it is in the public interest for their to be such controls over football clubs finances. But it also opens up a can of worms with the compensation claims which could follow if the APT rules are found to be unenforcable. I'm no legal expert, but it seems like a bottomless pit where money is being thrown when it would probably make more sense just to leave it be and operate the same way we have been for the past 20 years without too much issue. Obviously if you are a follower of cartel clubs you won't be happy, but we seem to have survived so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted Tuesday at 11:08 Share Posted Tuesday at 11:08 2 minutes ago, TRon said: But it also opens up a can of worms with the compensation claims which could follow if the APT rules are found to be unenforcable. I'm no legal expert, but it seems like a bottomless pit where money is being thrown when it would probably make more sense just to leave it be and operate the same way we have been for the past 20 years without too much issue. Obviously if you are a follower of cartel clubs you won't be happy, but we seem to have survived so far. Yeah, really the PL's rules should just exactly align with UEFA's rather than tying themselves in knots desperately trying to restrict us when we would be restricted enough to stop us running away with everything by the UEFA rules anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted Tuesday at 11:13 Share Posted Tuesday at 11:13 I really hate that PSR stuff is sometimes justified as about fair competition. It's not. And I am a sometime defender of it (largely in principle). It's all about preventing an owner spending ludicrously for short term success and loading a club with unsustainable losses and then bailing and leaving the club bankrupt and the fans screwed over. I get that and think it's good to stop that happening. The fact it is preventing clubs with no concerns over liquidity spending money, and that it is rewarding clubs massively for selling their own home grown talent, is ludicrous and counter productive. We need a set of rules to stop charlatan owners ruining clubs, but we don't have that. If they wanted to make the competition fairer, and I am actually for this, let us be successful on merit not on spending, they need to talk about wage caps and the like, which they won't because the premier league isn't concerned about competition internally, but is concerned about competition from other leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted Tuesday at 11:37 Share Posted Tuesday at 11:37 The PSR/APT rules should be relaxed for those promoted from the Championship otherwise they have no chance of remaining in the PL leaving the option of why bother trying for promotion from the championship Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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