Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[Keegans Export]

3 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

Had to read it again when I got near the end,thought it was a true story.😆

Same here, I was thinking "What? They closed down the shop?!" 

[Paully]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

6 rich kids on the street had class Scalextric sets, loads of track and rapid cars

 

We were poor, had a tiny knackered Scalextric with fuck all track and a couple of shit cars

 

Our nanna won the bingo on Xmas eve and on Xmas day gave us loads of her winnings as a present

 

Worried that we upgrade our Scalextric to make it better than theirs, the 6 rich kids in the street close down the Scalextric shop, force Nanna to take her money off us and get local bizzies to make buying new Scalextric illegal 
 

And they’d managed to do all that before the Eastenders Xmas Day special was on telly  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Superbly put this mate!

[Nucasol]

2 minutes ago, Paully said:

 

Superbly put this mate!

A Christmas Tale as read by Daniel Levy. Spanish translation available by Omar Berrada.

[Fezzle]

1 hour ago, Nucasol said:

A Christmas Tale as read by Daniel Levy. Spanish translation available by Omar Berrada.

Can we not fit Scrooge in voiced by Alex Ferguson?

[bowlingcrofty]

4 hours ago, Paully said:

 

Superbly put this mate!

So what they do to make it fair, is they say - OK, we can all spend a percentage of what our own Scalextrics sets are worth to keep upgrading it. That's a fair system, isn't it? 

 

In reality the six rich kids get to spend a lot more on their already-expensive sets, and we get to spend far less on a set that wasn't worth as much to start with.

[bobbydazzla]

3 hours ago, bowlingcrofty said:

So what they do to make it fair, is they say - OK, we can all spend a percentage of what our own Scalextrics sets are worth to keep upgrading it. That's a fair system, isn't it? 

 

In reality the six rich kids get to spend a lot more on their already-expensive sets, and we get to spend far less on a set that wasn't worth as much to start with.

And if mumsy & pappa want to either loan their rich kids loads of money, or take out huge debts to upgrade the already world class Scalextric sets then it’s absolutely fine

 

But under no circumstances must money won at bingo by Nanna’s be allowed to fund Scalextric upgrades 

 

 

Edited December 13 by bobbydazzla

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

35 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

And if mumsy & pappa want to either loan their rich kids loads of money, or take out huge debts to upgrade the already world class Scalextric sets then it’s absolutely fine

 

But under no circumstances must money won at bingo by Nanna’s be allowed to fund Scalextric upgrades 

 

 

 

Dont matter how much Nana won at the bingo as the 6 rich kids control the electric going to your power pack 

[huss9]

must have a couple of smallish deals lined up now that FMV has shifted slightly.

enough to make at least one decent signing even if it means an 8 year contract.

 

 

Edited December 13 by huss9

[Whitley mag]

The new squad cost rules that come in from June 25 to mirror UEFA’s rules are clearly the problem and reason where probably not going to spend in January, as explained in following article from I Paper -

 

The new rules, which were agreed by clubs at the Premier League last year, limit clubs to spending 70 per cent of their football revenue on wage costs, transfers, compensation for sacked managers and agents fees if they are playing in Europe. 

 

The figure is higher – understood to be pegged at 85 per cent – for clubs that will not be competing in Europe.

 

PSR – which limit clubs to a rolling loss of £105m over three years – remains in place until 30 June, 2025 and Premier League clubs must maintain compliance with those rules until then.

 

The impact will be significant. Manchester City’s revenue is more than £700m, so they will be able to spend £490m on player wages, agent fees and amortised player purchases.

 

Newcastle’s newest revenue figure will be announced in January when the club release their accounts but they are hoping to surpass £300m. Even that will only give them £210m to spend – giving City a £290m advantage.

 

And then there is the challenge of actually hitting the cost control limit. As blogger Swiss Ramble wrote last year, Newcastle’s cost control ratio was 97 per cent in 2022-23.

 

The club have substantially improved revenues since then but still, pulling that down to 70 per cent is going to be a challenge.

 

 

Edited December 14 by Whitley mag

[Ben]

4 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

The new squad cost rules that come in from June 25 to mirror UEFA’s rules are clearly the problem and reason where probably not going to spend in January, as explained in following article from I Paper -

 

The new rules, which were agreed by clubs at the Premier League last year, limit clubs to spending 70 per cent of their football revenue on wage costs, transfers, compensation for sacked managers and agents fees if they are playing in Europe. 

 

The figure is higher – understood to be pegged at 85 per cent – for clubs that will not be competing in Europe.

 

PSR – which limit clubs to a rolling loss of £105m over three years – remains in place until 30 June, 2025 and Premier League clubs must maintain compliance with those rules until then.

 

And then there is the challenge of actually hitting the cost control limit. As blogger Swiss Ramble wrote last year, Newcastle’s cost control ratio was 97 per cent in 2022-23.

 

The club have substantially improved revenues since then but still, pulling that down to 70 per cent is going to be a challenge.

 

FFS man, unless the Saudis start chucking daft sponsorship at us what is the point of even trying to compete.

[r0cafella]

9 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

The new squad cost rules that come in from June 25 to mirror UEFA’s rules are clearly the problem and reason where probably not going to spend in January, as explained in following article from I Paper -

 

The new rules, which were agreed by clubs at the Premier League last year, limit clubs to spending 70 per cent of their football revenue on wage costs, transfers, compensation for sacked managers and agents fees if they are playing in Europe. 

 

The figure is higher – understood to be pegged at 85 per cent – for clubs that will not be competing in Europe.

 

PSR – which limit clubs to a rolling loss of £105m over three years – remains in place until 30 June, 2025 and Premier League clubs must maintain compliance with those rules until then.

 

The impact will be significant. Manchester City’s revenue is more than £700m, so they will be able to spend £490m on player wages, agent fees and amortised player purchases.

 

Newcastle’s newest revenue figure will be announced in January when the club release their accounts but they are hoping to surpass £300m. Even that will only give them £210m to spend – giving City a £290m advantage.

 

And then there is the challenge of actually hitting the cost control limit. As blogger Swiss Ramble wrote last year, Newcastle’s cost control ratio was 97 per cent in 2022-23.

 

The club have substantially improved revenues since then but still, pulling that down to 70 per cent is going to be a challenge.

 

 

 

AHH glad people are catching up to what I've been saying. Squad cost is GG for us. It's much more stringent than the current rules. 

[Whitley mag]

1 hour ago, r0cafella said:

AHH glad people are catching up to what I've been saying. Squad cost is GG for us. It's much more stringent than the current rules. 

Highlights why a new stadium with reportedly twice the revenues of staying at SJP must surely be the option they choose, along with naming rights I’d say it’s a must if where to have any chance.

[Turnbull2000]

So rather than improve our deficient squad by the 25-26 season, it's more likely we'll need cut back on our squad and probably slash back room staff as well? Jesus christ.

 

Just when you think the rules to stop you competing with the cartel are stringent enough. Nothing will improve for us, Villa, or anyone else hoping to compete.

 

 

Edited December 14 by Turnbull2000

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, Turnbull2000 said:

So rather than improve our deficient squad by the 25-26 season, it's more likely we'll need cut back on our squad and probably slash back room staff as well? Jesus christ.

 

Just when you think the rules to stop you competing with the cartel are stringent enough. Nothing will improve for us, Villa, or anyone else hoping to compete.

 

 

 

Let's see how our next accounts look but I expect we will lose some fire power either way. 

 

People will point to bringing the rules in with Uefa which is fine but our punishments which are published and are done on a case by case basis aren't in like with Uefas so any comparison is rendered pretty irrelevant and it's usually an arguement made in bad faith. 

[Scoot]

1 hour ago, Whitley mag said:

Highlights why a new stadium with reportedly twice the revenues of staying at SJP must surely be the option they choose, along with naming rights I’d say it’s a must if where to have any chance.

 

Yeah 100% it'll be a new stadium.

 

Slightly annoying now though that we've not brought in more sponsorship money for things like - stadium naming rights, training kit and training ground sponsor. Especially now as it seems we have to sell to buy. Really does make you wonder as to why they haven't.

[BoSelecta]

The government aren’t going to allow Daniel Levy and his pals to run billions of pounds of investment out of the north/country. It might take some time (perhaps around 2034?) but we’ll get MASSSIVE. 

[Ben]

Man City just posted a record turnover of £715 million, how the fuck can we catch up with that ? 

[duo]

I dont get how high their turnover is - even though they have won things you don't see the global fan base that you do with the likes of Liverpool and Man U.

 

 

Edited December 14 by duo

[Maggies]

We’re about £200m behind commercial to Tottenham alone. They were in a similar position to us about 6 years ago significantly behind other clubs.

 

While it’ll take time, the correct approach and strategy will see us growing and eventually challenge for titles. Even within the PSR/APT rules. Hopefully we’ll get a few Saudi boosts along the way to help/accelerate (e.g. new stadium).

 

So while the dream maybe isn’t happening as quickly as people hoped, with patience then it most definitely remains possible/probable.

[loki679]

56 minutes ago, duo said:

I dont get how high their turnover is - even though they have won things you don't see the global fan base that you do with the likes of Liverpool and Man U.

 

 

 

 

Fucking loads of them in China now.

[El Prontonise]

1 hour ago, duo said:

I dont get how high their turnover is - even though they have won things you don't see the global fan base that you do with the likes of Liverpool and Man U.

 

 

 

 

They made £150m for their CL campaign for starters.

[Stifler]

1 hour ago, duo said:

I dont get how high their turnover is - even though they have won things you don't see the global fan base that you do with the likes of Liverpool and Man U.

All new fans are Man City or PSG fans, although there is a dash of Inter Miami fans thrown in as well.

The worrying thing will be when Inter Miami’s accounts come out. They must be ahead of us now with Messi fever.

[r0cafella]

47 minutes ago, Maggies said:

We’re about £200m behind commercial to Tottenham alone. They were in a similar position to us about 6 years ago significantly behind other clubs.

 

While it’ll take time, the correct approach and strategy will see us growing and eventually challenge for titles. Even within the PSR/APT rules. Hopefully we’ll get a few Saudi boosts along the way to help/accelerate (e.g. new stadium).

 

So while the dream maybe isn’t happening as quickly as people hoped, with patience then it most definitely remains possible/probable.

Please explain how we catch them. As in what do we do what steps do we take? I see this optimism a lot but I don't see how it's achieved. 

[Maggies]

39 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Please explain how we catch them. As in what do we do what steps do we take? I see this optimism a lot but I don't see how it's achieved. 

I’m no way qualified to fully answer this, but a combination of:

- new stadium

- player trading (e.g. Tottenham sold Bale, Modric etc.)

- sale of mid-level youngsters in a couple of seasons

- more and bigger commercial arrangements

- gradual increase in co-efficient/revenue through some European seasons

- rule changes… another fluke Champions League finish

 

It’s not going to be easy or quick, but I think there are reasons to still be optimistic. It’s definitely not impossible.

 

 

Edited December 14 by Maggies

[54]

51 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Please explain how we catch them. As in what do we do what steps do we take? I see this optimism a lot but I don't see how it's achieved. 

Are you telling people not to be optimistic?