Hank Marvin Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) Cockheads. Edited February 15 by Hank Marvin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 7 hours ago, Maggies said: Yes. The Premier League may try to stop is as the current rules remain in place, however the current rules are likely to be found illegal and we will then sue for the loss. We should just do it and dare the Premier League to block it at the risk of damages once the rules are officially found illegal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Given we've been on our best behaviour this whole time I doubt we sue. As we don't appear to want to rock the boat our best hope is to be a mediator between the other clubs and city and be the party which pushes for consensus. Broker a compromise basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 6 hours ago, et tu brute said: As I said earlier the Premier League have been mouthing off every time and then found to be fucked in court. The tribunal have found the entire APT rules to be null and void, as it only takes 1 illegal point to make this be the case. The rule book has been changed and city immediately have took it back to the court under the same tribunal. The Premier League are fucked here also, as by not backdating owner loans given at no interest/below the going rate, they will be found illegal again and those rules will be judged null and void also. PIF have played an excellent game here, doing everything above board and working with Man City whilst playing the waiting game. I think you're totally on the wrong track here, and just about everything you have based things has been on guesswork (including what sponsorship has already been tables previously). Fair enough, we’ll not be able to agree on PIF - though I would say I thought it was clear that we don’t know what sponsorship has or has not been on the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 6 hours ago, Scoot said: This is the important bit. The whole thing is null and void. Not sure how anyone can not view this as a positive for us. Because it doesn’t remove FMV, only APT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRL Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Because it doesn’t remove FMV, only APT Isn’t it only APT that are subject to FMV rules? Surely if you remove the APT rules then the FMV rules are automatically irrelevant as there are not APTs? At the very least, even if we have lodged nothing APT wise to date, we can lodge as many as we like over the next month, and if the November rules are then declared null and void too, which most seem to think will be the case following the way they were rushed through, then we can then insist on using those at that point and maybe even use the potential threat of legal action when the next ruling comes through to get them allowed through immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 3 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Because it doesn’t remove FMV, only APT Without APT market value is super easy, barely an inconvenience. Just look at what other countries spend in the lead up to a world cup and then look at what was put into PSG. That's your market value Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 The PL legal team probably anticipated the rules were unlawful and encouraged a new vote in spite of the ruling once first verdict was given, they’ll know their amended rules are also unlawful, however they’re masters of kicking the can down the road and delaying. On very dodgy ground now the PL and this could be very costly for all the clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 9 hours ago, gdm said: Can’t stand that cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 4 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: The PL legal team probably anticipated the rules were unlawful and encouraged a new vote in spite of the ruling once first verdict was given, they’ll know their amended rules are also unlawful, however they’re masters of kicking the can down the road and delaying. On very dodgy ground now the PL and this could be very costly for all the clubs. Have to think that financially it may benefit clubs to have an ESL, if higher level competition is removed, and therefore they can consolidate their positions in England's top league (and potentially higher up) too. Plays into the hands of those so called "Big 6" who wanted to break away in that regard. The alternative is that said "non-big-6" as you say will not want the league wasting their money on court cases and compensation to aspiring clubs such as Newcastle. If this leads to the former situation then fans of all Premier League clubs cannot really complain. Their adherence to being lickspittles for the status quo will have ruined English football. The reality here, from a neutral point of view is that money is absolutely killing the game and the existing rules were perhaps an attempt to balance the playing field but were ill thought out and rushed through to stop NUFC primarily not MCFC. We shouldn't be allowed to buy anyone we want for £300m, but that horse has bolted in years gone by. They should have been transparent from the start if that was their intention, which makes me think they have either a) failed or b) that wasn't their intention. With the whole trying to prevent our sale I cannot help but feel it's the latter as clubs lobbied to try and stop it (iirc). As a neutral, I think we'd be contributing to ruining competitivity spending like we could and ruining the game some more. However, my feeling now (as an NUFC fan) is fuck all of them, let's have our day in the limelight before they eventually fix it. You won't ever hear folk saying City didn't win what they won just because of some retrospective charges... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 So is the latest developments just the can being kicked down the road or will it lead to meaningful change for us? Seems like all was done to stop us from being competitive as far as I was aware white the changes to APT. The PSR situation where clubs actively look to sell young local talent is a complete farce. Fuck the premier league and their rules imo, they’ve been lobbied relentlessly by the big 6 to maintain the status quo. It’s now led to me supporting most teams against the so called big 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Where were these APT rules when Ashley was paying us £0 every season to plaster our entire ground in Sports Direct logos? No club in the top flight was screaming from the rooftops and demanding the PL do something about that being unfair and anti-competitive were they ? They’re snidey cheating cunts Fuck the lot of them Edited February 15 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilted Generator Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 34 minutes ago, Sima said: Can’t stand that cunt. Why does he talk like a V-tech computer? Wanker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Heron said: The reality here, from a neutral point of view is that money is absolutely killing the game and the existing rules were perhaps an attempt to balance the playing field but were ill thought out and rushed through to stop NUFC primarily not MCFC. We shouldn't be allowed to buy anyone we want for £300m, but that horse has bolted in years gone by. They should have been transparent from the start if that was their intention, which makes me think they have either a) failed or b) that wasn't their intention. With the whole trying to prevent our sale I cannot help but feel it's the latter as clubs lobbied to try and stop it (iirc). Their intention was to allow a takeover of ours to happen to a top 6 club. They were warned of the possibility of our takeover happening years before we were bought, and they did nothing to try and stop one from happening. You can also point to the likes of Man City’s takeover, PSG’s, and to a lesser extent Chelsea’s as evidence that it happens. Indeed Levy and ENIC were in discussions to sell Spurs to PIF before Staveley came in and said that she could get us for less and not have to deal with Levy’s price demands and constant deal changing. Edited February 15 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BergenMagpie Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Incredible news to wake up to! Dont see how the PL can think that the amended rules are now lawful as they only had a few minor changes like setting a FMV on owner debt costs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 16 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Where were these APT rules when Ashley was paying us £0 every season to plaster our entire ground in Sports Direct logos? No club in the top flight was screaming from the rooftops and demanding the PL do something about that being unfair and anti-competitive were they ? They’re snidey cheating cunts Fuck the lot of them This is absolutely right too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 The full judgement for those interested. https://resources.premierleague.pulselive.com/premierleague/document/2025/02/14/5427b198-943b-4312-aab9-ae06b6b19285/Man-City-Premier-League-Second-Partial-Final-Award.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 17 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. Where were these APT rules when Ashley was paying us £0 every season to plaster our entire ground in Sports Direct logos? No club in the top flight was screaming from the rooftops and demanding the PL do something about that being unfair and anti-competitive were they ? They’re snidey cheating cunts Fuck the lot of them Shameful hypocrisy from the PL. You can understand why the freaks owning other clubs were happy for us to sink in quicksand but for the PL to do fuck all and then whip this out within days of us being taken over shows how pathetically gutless and weak they are. Cowards and yes men only and it’s all going to come crashing down eventually. Fucking clowns Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I wonder if this is the reason Radcliffe has stopped sponsorship of the All Blacks, Sailing ect, so he can now pump that cash into Man Utd ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 20 minutes ago, BergenMagpie said: Incredible news to wake up to! Dont see how the PL can think that the amended rules are now lawful as they only had a few minor changes like setting a FMV on owner debt costs? The judgement says the old rules can’t be severed by the 3 changes they made and yet Masters and co think the new rules are still in place and need to be adhered to. If the other clubs outside the cartel don’t realise now is the time for a vote of no confidence they never will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 minute ago, Ben said: I wonder if this is the reason Radcliffe has stopped sponsorship of the All Blacks, Sailing ect, so he can now pump that cash into Man Utd ? Absolutely zero chance. Ratcliffe doesn’t like putting his hand in his pocket unless he’s forced to and sees a financial incentive for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 BTW if anyone is interested in this stuff / bored beyond all reason and wants something to look at, then you can do a 'spot the difference' exercise between the APT rules before and after the December republication of Handbook and its changes. Before (page 132): https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2022/07/19/40085fed-1e9e-4c33-9f14-0bcf57857da2/PL_Handbook_2022-23_DIGITAL_18.07.pdf After (page 135): https://resources.premierleague.pulselive.com/premierleague/document/2024/12/11/e9aa1b9e-a7d5-4788-8afe-6e07b8a5f5fc/TM1603-PL_Handbook-and-Collateral-2024-25_11.12_DIGITAL.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) Masters thinking he can take the PL job, hop on a gravy train, maintain the status quo by keeping the cartel happy and he’s got an easy life for years with plenty of bunce A frontman, just needs to nod along and not rock the boat Instead he’s created a fucking shitstorm by accidentally blowing the lid off the scam, mainly caused by his mishandling of the cartel’s blatant attempts to stifle NUFC He’s like that Philip Green in Casino I hope the cunt wakes up every morning and hates his fucking life Edited February 15 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 8 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Masters thinking he can take the PL job, hop on a gravy train, maintain the status quo by keeping the cartel happy and he’s got an easy life for years with plenty of bunce A frontman, just needs to nod along and not rock the boat Instead he’s created a fucking shitstorm by accidentally blowing the lid off the scam, mainly caused by his mishandling of the cartel’s blatant attempts to stifle NUFC He’s like that Philip Green in Casino I hope the cunt wakes up every morning and hates his fucking life He's done exactly that, tbf. I reckon the cunt sleeps like a baby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 29 minutes ago, Ben said: I wonder if this is the reason Radcliffe has stopped sponsorship of the All Blacks, Sailing ect, so he can now pump that cash into Man Utd ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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