54 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: Merson works on a show sponsored by SkyBet, there's quite a bit of hypocrisy there. Doesn't Merson have a history of gambling addiction? Or am I mistaken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 54 said: Doesn't Merson have a history of gambling addiction? Or am I mistaken? He does, that's why I find it a bit hypocritical of him preaching the addiction of it while working on a show sponsored by SkyBet. Although the whole football industry is as hypocritical imo. Edited October 18, 2023 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 You would think Tonali would tell the club if Milan had been informed, they will definitely be asking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just now, Beth said: Absolutely no chance Milan didn't know about this. We've been well and truely done here, whether we have any come back is another matter. An injury gets identified (hopefully) at the medical. Pending investigations into illegal activities, how is that screened? If they knew and didn’t divulge it there has to be cause to go back at them legally. But let’s see how it all pans out. Explains his head being a bit here there and everywhere. Like Gordon I believe he’ll be a very good player for us. Hopefully that’s still the case. Just when is the question? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Matt1892 said: You would think Tonali would tell the club if Milan had been informed, they will definitely be asking. Maybe, he doesn't seem to have any reason to protect them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, timeEd32 said: It was generally regarded as one of the most surprising deals of the summer. Boyhood fan, never wanted to leave Milan, etc. There was a very plausible explanation with a big fee for Milan + big wages for him + new challenge, etc. Not ruling that out, but this certainly provides another reason. At first his wage here was quoted to be 210k a week, but that was later ammended to 120k. He was on about 70/80k at Milan. Not sure why he would leave his boyhood club to come here for that sort of increase, it seems Milan got shot whilst they still had the chance to cash in before all this came out. Apart from his debut vs Villa he's played like someone carrying a weight on his shoulders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, 54 said: Doesn't Merson have a history of gambling addiction? Or am I mistaken? Yes, blew the deposit for him and his partners house that he’d earned on sky sports! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: If he’s banned for 12 months, I’d be surprised if he’ll even play for Newcastle again. So you think we will throw away a £55m player because of a 12-month ban? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey47 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: You would think Tonali would tell the club if Milan had been informed, they will definitely be asking. He’s a boyhood Milan fan, maybe he told Milan in secret to do them a favour and get premium league wages while on vacation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Maybe, he doesn't seem to have any reason to protect them. Apart from not wanting the club he supports to be penalised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLUMPO235 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: He does, that's why I find it a bit hypocritical of him preaching the addiction of it while working on a show sponsored by SkyBet. Although the whole football industry is as hypocritical imo. It depends what he’s preaching though. Does he say gambling and betting should be banned? Or that he has a gambling problem and doesn’t bet and recommends those that need help get it? Im genuinely not sure what his stance is. For example I’m a recovering alcoholic. But I don’t want drinking banned. I also wouldn’t have any problem working for companies that profit or promote alcohol. If hes saying betting and sports betting should be banned or the advertising then yeah thats hypocritical Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Sima said: Apart from not wanting the club he supports to be penalised. Possibly, we may have gone beyond that point but I get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 The club won’t be happy about this but he’s our player so unless there’s some obvious legal get out clause, let’s assume we’re going to take him under our wing and give him a second chance. His head must have been all over the shop and god knows who he owed money to. There’s literally no rock bottom with gambling, doesn’t matter if you’re on crazy money or on the dole. It’ll take pretty much everything and changes your whole character as a person when you’re an addict. He’s young enough to come back much stronger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Hopefully he'll get the support to beat this mentally, and hopefully the financial hole he is in can be fixed as well sooner than later. After that, hopefully he settles in to the region and moves on with his life. He has far too much to lose and all the talent in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 We're quite stacked in midfield, and Hall can also play there if need be - but I can't help but be annoyed more than I should be. This whole situation stinks and I know hindsight is 20/20 but it just annoys me to see how well Maddison is doing at Spurs - cheaper and far less baggage than this situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Thing is even betting on your own team to win is insider trading as he has information (injuries etc) not available to the general public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Hopefully we can do some legal stuff to get his contract and transfer fee off the FFP books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 minute ago, morpeth mag said: Thing is even betting on your own team to win is insider trading as he has information (injuries etc) not available to the general public. While this is true, it's more an argument to protect bookies than anything else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: He does, that's why I find it a bit hypocritical of him preaching the addiction of it while working on a show sponsored by SkyBet. Although the whole football industry is as hypocritical imo. It's a funny one tbh as much as I'd like to bash Merson. I'm a recovering alcoholic but if I had to do a campaign at work where the client was an alcoholic drink manufacturer it wouldn't even cross my mind to say "No" because of all the damage I did myself. Just because I can't do it in moderation doesn't mean that applies to millions of others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabtoon Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Stifler said: Yeah. In all honesty the Toney ban never sat right with me, aside from the bit where he bet against his own club. In the U.K., gambling only became legal thanks to Football Pools, which is where the Moores family made their money and went on to buy both Everton and Liverpool. Liverpool obviously getting the greater deal ultimately by becoming they are today because of it. You currently have the EFL which is in control over 75% of the professional clubs in England with a leading sponsor by a gambling firm. You have the Premier League saying in 3 years you can’t have a front of shirt betting sponsor, but will still be able to have a sleeve betting sponsor, which is estimated to double the sleeve sponsorship prices. Every broadcast game is filled with betting adverts. The Premier League’s leading domestic TV partner has a score programme that has leading betting partner flashing up before and after every advert break. Every club has a betting sponsor, some have betting sponsors for different regions. If a player happens to bet on a game though, that’s too far. I remember a few years ago when that amateur team got to the FA Cup 3rd round, a betting company decided to allow stupid bets on their goalkeeper, he ate a pie at half time and was l charged for influencing a bet because a bookie had put that on a list of things he might do. How the fuck the bookie wasn’t done was beyond me. Yeah the FA remove gambling from shirts etc, only to be replaced on the sleeves is just sound bites. They are always going to keep the Gambling firms sweet not going to bite the hand that feeds them. Needs to be an independent commission to look into all forms of gambling advertising and sponsorship. If the FA cant keep its house in order then it should be taken out of its hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Menace said: We're quite stacked in midfield, and Hall can also play there if need be - but I can't help but be annoyed more than I should be. This whole situation stinks and I know hindsight is 20/20 but it just annoys me to see how well Maddison is doing at Spurs - cheaper and far less baggage than this situation. Maddison wanted Spurs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 He was quickly losing his place to Willock or Joelinton anyway IMO. From a footballing perspective, it's not the massive blow that it might have been. We also get a January window to add a player if needs be. Let's hope he gets the best support possible and somehow remains around the club. Is he still allowed to train (ways around that I'm sure), is he allowed to be in the ground and around the place etc? I'd like to see him at every home game, that would be a good starting point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 24 minutes ago, FLUMPO235 said: It depends what he’s preaching though. Does he say gambling and betting should be banned? Or that he has a gambling problem and doesn’t bet and recommends those that need help get it? Im genuinely not sure what his stance is. For example I’m a recovering alcoholic. But I don’t want drinking banned. I also wouldn’t have any problem working for companies that profit or promote alcohol. If hes saying betting and sports betting should be banned or the advertising then yeah thats hypocritical Being an alcoholic isn't illegal though. Sports betting in your own league is, and that's why he'll get the book thrown at him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Sorry @FLUMPO235 I had just skimmed the thread and hadn't realised I was making the exact same point you had Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
catlover24 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 On hindsight I’m glad he got that goal vs Villa, at least we are left with something to look forward to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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