Sandro Tonali

[Sima]

1 minute ago, KennyUtd said:

2 seasons in a relegation battle and Spurs are still more attractive than us! How the fuck though. Make it make sense.

Because due to their spending power they’ve got a chance of re-establishing themselves back in the beloved “Top 6”

 

I wouldn’t bet on us finishing above them next season, that’s for certain.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Sima

[The College Dropout]

3 minutes ago, Mole said:

I mean fair, but I think we were very attractive at the time. I can't imagine Spurs are currently, but who knows? It just strikes me as a sideways move currently.

We had finishe 4th for the first time in almost 20 years. 

 

Spurs are a bigger club than us. Have more resources to take them back to the top 4-6 than we do. And they are seemingly willing to pay Tonali a good amount.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by The College Dropout

[nufc123]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We had finishe 4th for the first time in almost 20 years. 

 

Spurs are a bigger club than us. Have more resources to take them back to the top 4-6 than we do. And they are seemingly willing to pay Tonali a good amount.

 

 

 

All good, but losing Tonali to a club fighting relegation last season is a painful watch for us.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by nufc123

[J7]

3 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

2 seasons in a relegation battle and Spurs are still more attractive than us! How the fuck though. Make it make sense.

They’ve been a shambles, but they still managed to win a cup and played in the CL last season. They’ve got a decent manager in and can pay higher wages. Plus London. I think their long term prospects look better than our own at the moment given our inactivity. That could change somewhat with a good transfer window granted, but there’s no evidence of that happening yet. 

[Wallsendmag]

2 minutes ago, KennyUtd said:

2 seasons in a relegation battle and Spurs are still more attractive than us! How the fuck though. Make it make sense.

 

Said it before but I've never got the Spurs media hype. Yes they now have a nice shiny stadium but our trophy cabinet is hardly bursting at the seams and we've still won twice as many league titles as they have. Plus we haven't been in a relegation battle 2 seasons in a row.

 

It's only last summer that Wissa had a straight choice. Stay in London and go to Spurs or come to Newcastle. He chose us (unfortunately as it turns out).

 

If Tonali genuinely backs himself as one of Europe's top midfielders, he should be looking at better than spurs to progres, and tbf there should be better than Spurs in for him if he is.

[The College Dropout]

Just now, nufc123 said:

All good, but losing Tonali to a club fighting relegation last season is a painful watch for us.

 

 

 

Yeh I get that.

 

It's galling for fans. Many think we are leve on terms with Spurs.

 

But we aren't. And if he signs for them it will be the proof.

[Kanj]

if anyone pays 100m for tonal, then its too good a deal to turn down. 

[Stifler]

Honestly couldn’t give a fuck about him or most of our players leaving so long as we get good fees and replace them.

£80m-£100m could bring in 2 good players.

Last season showed that we really need to clear out a lot of players and even some of our newer signings have gone stale.

Look at what we seem to be doing with Muñoz, going to cost us less than half the Gordon fee, allowing us to buy a keeper as well.

Even Tonali himself showed that that can be value found for less than £100m.

 

There will come a time when we have to do what the likes of Spurs did and keep a hold of the likes of Kane until his prime years are up, but last summer with Isak showed that we are not quite there yet.

[nufcjmc]

14 minutes ago, macphisto said:

To both you and @Superbmac I guess it just all goes back to how much you think PIF can push back against PSR? Personally, I think there are ways around it but PIF really don't want to put the money in. 

 

That's just a personal view and one we'd never know for certain either way.

I mean what is realistic in terms of a push back? Do you want to try and tie the system in knots like City with legal battles which may lead to concessions but also failure? 

 

I dont like the stuff left on the table in terms of sponsors, the slowness of decisions around the ground or the training ground. 

 

We are in a chicken and the egg scenario here to me how do you drive success? by buying well, retaining talent and reinvesting in your squad (with a lot of luck in terms of injuries/sides that gel and managers that get the maximum out of them). However to do so you need to elevate and upgrade your squad and we started off on such a poor base its been hard to try and player trade when what you have to sell is nothing anyone else wants. 

 

As TCD alluded to all that forward momentum the early project, the PSR wiggle room brought by big mike not spending a sausage for years relatively speaking meant we could make a "good start" has now dried up how we move forward and keep going is obviously a very hard question to answer.  

 

The momentum carried from that good start though ground to a halt the spending had to stop, the success relatively speaking has been stop start and we haven't been able to push on culminating in our first big influx of spending last summer since that early first year money drops being broadly badly spent.

 

This has led us to the need we find ourselves in with a squad that needs a refresh (level of refresh will be down to personal assessment) and that cannot be funded by selling the women's team or buying a hotel and making the profits the clubs or anything other trick they could come up with it is through player sales in the hope the hit rate on player recruitment returns. Even if the club this summer announced the stadium its 3 or 4 years away from helping we need to find a way to drive success and spending ourselves. 

 

Sadly even if next season is a good one we will likely need to look to sell again next season BDB, Schar, Murphy if still here, willock if still here all walk for nothing. Tino and Barnes and big joe all on short deals should they not extend at that point.   

 

We badly need our young recruitment to bare fruit either they can step into the first team and lessen the need for us to need to buy in the market or they are good enough level to drive the income needed to reinvest in the squad. 

 

I agree with you its hard to know for certain on anything really. 

[Ikon]

Now watch Camara play a blinder tonight against France and then all of a sudden be out of our reach.

[Mole]

9 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We had finishe 4th for the first time in almost 20 years. 

 

Spurs are a bigger club than us. Have more resources to take them back to the top 4-6 than we do. And they are seemingly willing to pay Tonali a good amount.

 

 

 

I know that I just meant that I expected him to have better suitors, not so much that I'm confused he would want to go there.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

We need funds to buy players - we have no headroom.  As hard as it is for people to believe, last summer’s transfer window had long term consequences - as did our poor league form.  

 

Sure but we have some money. And if we don't sell Tonali then we don't need to replace him.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

When was the last real news about this? Can't follow all the pages. 

[Ben]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Sure but we have some money. And if we don't sell Tonali then we don't need to replace him.

 

Agree, it cant be seen as a good deal until we see how the money is reinvested, if we get 3 wonderkids for £33 million each then its a great deal 

[Dr Venkman]

4 hours ago, gdm said:

move on

[KingArthur]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

They are proven in the most difficult league in the world. Anderson is a line breaking, progressive passer and Tonali isn't. Anderson is a high value asset against quality low blocks in the division, Tonali isn't + younger + English.

Andersson is a good player. Better than Guimaraes? Never. We paid 38 or something for him. 
 

value when buying from another EPL team just isnt there. 

[Mattoon]

44 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I've been on the PIF actions don't match their words train for over awhile now.

 

I'm tapped out of the project and have been. I'm just watching and supporting - I don't believe we are on a path to becoming a top player. I've enjoyed having a competitive team, it's been a golden era.

 

I'm less than convinced PIF have the desire or aptitude to get close to their stated ambition. I just hope we get a new training ground and stadium out of them and can win some more trophies.

 

I also don't think it's just Mitchell btw. The players and their camps would've noticed we haven't progressed with the infrastructure stuff as fast as they were initially probably sold.  They would've noticed we haven't exhausted our commercial avenues with PIF power. They would've noticed PIF giving our rivals hundreds of millions in fees. They would've noticed the constant changes in leadership. This isn't the club to maximise their short careers.

 

Totally off topic now, I know, but see this I don't get, whether they bought us as part of their investment portfolio or as a sports washing entity, it would make far more sense to maximise the investment so I don't get why therr would be a lack of desire. I also don't think there's any lack of aptitude, except maybe a gap in understanding the sport/league/structure but then they have the means and the finances to get the best people in position.

 

Just buying us to exist makes little sense financially.

[KingArthur]

1 hour ago, sanyi75 said:

If Woltemade is worth 75 million, Wissa, Elanga 60 million, then Tonali is worth 90-100 million. I think he is a good player, if possible he should be kept.

I would like to keep him, but with that money we can buy 2 great midfielders from the continent. 

[healthyaddiction]

Ben Jacobs reckons the asking price is £100m, which given the likes of Mateus Fernandes is going for around £80m and Forest have turned down a total package of £120m for Anderson, that seems right to me.
 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I mean, yeah, he's good but he's not worth 100m. Spurs also recently bought Gallagher and found out that more legs is not what they need. 

 

But I still don't want to sell him. 

[TRon]

18 minutes ago, Ikon said:

Now watch Camara play a blinder tonight against France and then all of a sudden be out of our reach.

 

 

That's more my concern and I voiced it before the Spurs story blew up

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[Ikon]

Hopefully we stand our ground, like properly. I'm hopeful of this considering what Wilson managed to get us to pay for Elanga. Maybe that was more because of Souvlaki, I don't know. I think we are pretty decent sellers tbh.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Ikon

[Pablo123]

I heard he has a 100m release clause which is valid until the end of June, similar to what Bruno's was. That was from an agent who my brother knows. Could be complete shit, like.

[duo]

23 minutes ago, Ikon said:

Now watch Camara play a blinder tonight against France and then all of a sudden be out of our reach.

We are just so conditioned to think the worst 

[GWN]

id take 100 million like