MrRaspberryJam Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Holmesy said: No one said it mate but that seems to be the suggestion on here Don't see anyone suggesting that buddy. Think the overwhelming majority on here accept Burn isnt the answer going forward either in the PL or CL but given our FFP restrictions we can't go gung-ho in the market. We'll still sign players this summer, and it'll be a few transfer windows yet before we've got a real quality squad if we're obeying the FFP rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Holmesy said: No one said it mate but that seems to be the suggestion on here But it's not is it People would love us to sign 6 or 7 new players and improve the squad drastically. But we are having to tread very carefully due to the shite ffp rules Surely you see that? Look at the ticket fiasco if you think nobody has a bad word to say about the club btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Holmesy said: I've made a correction to the post because what i meant obviously wasn't clear. Fuck me, this site has almost gone the other way - any post that isn't unbridled joy or non-objective discussion is absolutely unacceptable! I'm not absolutely delighted we're going into a CL campaign with Dan Burn at left back but it seems anyone who doesn't share that opinion isn't a true fan. Poor Dan Burn, you would think he had been shit or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Who said that like? The thing is, Dan Burn wasn’t even bad last season. Find the hate for him fucking loony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Holmesy said: Plug the glaring gaps in our squad and build greater strength in depth. As people have pointed out, we're screwed if Burn, Tripper, Schar, Botman, Wilson and Isak, Miggy, Barnes get injured. And by screwed, obviously we have players who can fill in but the step down is significant. We have a CB playing at LB and our right side options aren't good enough for a Champions League campaign (IMO). All i'm saying is I would've expected us to sign 3/4 first team players in key positions by now. I'm not talking about a squad overhaul in one window. It's realistic concern based on the above. I don't want us to go into the CL with Jacob Murphy at right wing because Miggy is injured. I'd rather we went in with a quality right forward and Miggy as our backup. It's not an outrageous concept. Each to their own, but I always find it fairer to judge a window once it has closed. Pretty much any squad in the league would struggle without key players, but with Tonali and hopefully Livramento, we're bringing in two players of a quality who prevent a crisis if Tripper or Bruno are injured. We've also added Barnes, who should play way more minutes than ASM and prevent the likes of Joelinton and Isak having to be regularly drafted out of position. The context of course is this is the owners fourth transfer window. There are still going to be holes in a squad that were relegation candidates a season or so ago. Before the window I'd have said they were at RB, RCB, LB, CM and RW, but due to financial constraints and Howe's (to date successful) squad building philosophy, they weren't all going to be addressed in a single window. I find it difficult to be particularly disappointed when the owners are still investing substantial amounts on and just as importantly, off the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, reefatoon said: The thing is, Dan Burn wasn’t even bad last season. Find the hate for him fucking loony He was excellent for the most part, but also with obvious limitations particularly on moving the ball forward and attacking, do you not see left back as a key area to improve going into a champions league campaign? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Yeah that's my issue here. This narrative that Dan Burn is a poor left back. He was probably top 3/4 left backs in the league last year. Unless we are signing someone like Joao Cancelo or Theo Hernandez, I really don't see the issue. I'd rather wait for a proper world class left back who would instantly improve us, than take a punt on players who might be better going forward. The "going into games against real madrid" arguement is a daft one too. Literally cherry picking the hardest side in Europe we could face. If that's the case, we need a new right back too because Trippier might struggle with Vini Jr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Think Dan Burn's reputation suffers a lot from how much he faded at the back end of last season. He's clearly a very good player and played a big role in the first half of last year, where our defence was the best in the league. Still think we need a new defender, CB or LB, preferably both but I'd also much rather we waited until the right player comes along that works with us for the right fee and reasons and rush into buying someone, just because we've 'only' bought two senior players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, reefatoon said: The thing is, Dan Burn wasn’t even bad last season. Find the hate for him fucking loony It's not hate at all. I rate him and i think he's a really good guy, but he's a CB filling in at LB. It's hardly lunacy to suggest I would prefer a good specialist left back playing in that position is it? Are there any other teams in the Premier League or Champions League that played almost the entire season with a centre back playing as a fullback? He will be targeted next season, you know he will. Add speed, mobility, crossing ability and attacking prowess on that left hand side and we look more balanced and more threathening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Holmesy said: It's not hate at all. I rate him and i think he's a really good guy, but he's a CB filling in at LB. It's hardly lunacy to suggest I would prefer a good specialist left back playing in that position is it? Are there any other teams in the Premier League or Champions League that played almost the entire season with a centre back playing as a fullback? He will be targeted next season, you know he will. Add speed, mobility, crossing ability and attacking prowess on that left hand side and we look more balanced and more threathening. Any suggestions as to who we could get? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cherry Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Guessing there's no rumours today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, maybe_next_year said: Think Dan Burn's reputation suffers a lot from how much he faded at the back end of last season. He's clearly a very good player and played a big role in the first half of last year, where our defence was the best in the league. Still think we need a new defender, CB or LB, preferably both but I'd also much rather we waited until the right player comes along that works with us for the right fee and reasons and rush into buying someone, just because we've 'only' bought two senior players. A lot of it is because he looks awkward (stuff how it looks if it's effective imo) and because he's "seen" as a centre half though he played plenty at LB during his career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, STM said: Any suggestions as to who we could get? That's not my job, it's Dan Ashworth's. I'm sure of the 120,000+ professional footballers in the world, there is one young enough, good enough and affordable enough within the boundaries of FFP, that would improve our first team. If not, i'm happy to stand corrected. Edited August 3, 2023 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Hall would be absolutely ideal. Fat chance Chelsea flog him to us though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 hours ago, KingArthur said: I just think the club aims to be at the top in 4-5 years time. This success game a bit too soon, and we will have a "disappointing" season. Most likely 6-8. We just cannot financially compete with the top 6 in a while. People have to realize it takes time to build a strong squad and rebuild the whole club from the academy up. Yup. There’s a lot of variance in one single season, so much depends on injuries to us and opponents and being on form for the right fixtures. We were really good last season but the squad is thin and not used to Europe. No one should be disappointed if we finish behind non-Europe Chelsea and/or Spurs and end up 6-7th without even mentioning Brighton and Villa. I’m 100% certain our squad is stronger now than it was a year ago and will once again be stronger for 24-25 than it is now. We can’t forget that we gave a massive headstart to everyone due to Ashley but we are doing our best and in few years are hopefully challenging everyone in England and Europe. One season where potentially our league position goes backwards doesn’t change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Holmesy said: It's not hate at all. I rate him and i think he's a really good guy, but he's a CB filling in at LB. It's hardly lunacy to suggest I would prefer a good specialist left back playing in that position is it? Are there any other teams in the Premier League or Champions League that played almost the entire season with a centre back playing as a fullback? He will be targeted next season, you know he will. Add speed, mobility, crossing ability and attacking prowess on that left hand side and we look more balanced and more threathening. Nathan Ake? Add in Burn,s job wasn't to be a marauding modern full back anyway with the system we played I think we'd struggle defensively we had 2 trippier style full backs Edited August 3, 2023 by jack j Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Holmesy said: That's not my job, it's Dan Ashworth's. It's not, it's his scouting teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 There has to be a modern-day José Enrique out there somewhere, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 It's frustrating with transfer windows as they last for ages and you can only properly judge them at the end. I'd like to see at least 3 players for the first team squad coming in before it closes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 We see this argument a fair bit. Re. Our player roster isn't fit for a Champion's League run. Absolutely fair. We've very little chance of progressing in the CL to the extent that more progressed clubs are. It'll take years until we can compete at that level. Nothing is going to change with that situation by signing a left back in this window. Hopefully we do but if anyone is harbouring ideas of true CL progress, I'd say that's unrealistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 People do realise we're going to win the Champions League, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, jack j said: Nathan Ake? Add in Burn,s job wasn't to be a marauding modern full back anyway with the system we played I think we'd struggle defensively we had 2 trippier style full backs His lack of mobility kind of dictates the systems we can play though. What if we're getting stifled down the right and we need to open up the left hand side to give us a new line of attack? We can't, because we have a CB playing LB. You can ask a full back to play a defensive role. You can't ask a 6'5 CB to get forward and trouble his opposing winger/full back if he doesn't have it in his locker because of his physical limitations. A mobile full back gives us options. Dan Burn, to an extent, robs us of those options. And let me just reiterate, before people start crying, I like Dan Burn, I rate Dan Burn and i'm comfortable with him being backup CB (even first choice CB) and backup LB, but I would prefer a more modern, mobile first team left back and I'm disappointed that doesn't seem to be the club's priority Edited August 3, 2023 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 CL doesn’t have many teams that a team who finished 4th in the Premier League should be scared about. Yet according to some we absolutely can’t enter the competition playing some of the players that got us there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, Holmesy said: That's not my job, it's Dan Ashworth's. I'm sure of the 120,000+ professional footballers in the world, there is one young enough, good enough and affordable enough within the boundaries of FFP, that would improve our first team. If not, i'm happy to stand corrected. Most definitely is, I mean that Antonee Robinson for example is probably a better/more natural full back, but probably not the answer long term either. You're not really looking at the big picture here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Holmesy said: His lack of mobility kind of dictates the systems we can play though. What if we're getting stifled down the right and we need to open up the left hand side to give us a new line of attack? We can't, because we have a CB playing LB. You can ask a full back to play a defensive role. You can't ask a 6'5 CB to get forward and trouble his opposing winger/full back if he doesn't have it in his locker because of his physical limitations. A mobile full back gives us options. Dan Burn, to an extent, robs us of those options He's 6'7" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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