NUFC Transfer Rumours

[SUPERTOON]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Yeah, but we’ve shopped in various markets. The PL only thing is a myth. 

Mitchell himself said we target PL players to much didn’t he ?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Mitchell himself said we target PL players to much didn’t he ?

Doesn’t really matter who said what. We’ve made great signings from abroad. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Doesn’t really matter who said what. We’ve made great signings from abroad. 

I think it’s pretty important what the views of our sporting director are mind.

[loki679]

I'd love us to be looking at players for their talent and vision rather than work rate tbh.

[nufcjmc]

10 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I completely disagree. A player represents less of a gamble if they've already demonstrated that they can perform consistently at a high level in this league. I don't really see how that's up for debate. Obviously that isn't to say that it's impossible to buy poorly from the PL, or that it's inherently risky to buy from abroad; but if you've got limited financial wiggle room then it makes sense to identify 'surer' things at home. The trouble is, that market is inflated and more accessible to the rules' main beneficiaries. 

Agreed and the big 6 can afford to do both get the best young players from overseas for their youth teams and allow the other prem teams take the gamble and if it works take the hit financially to take them off them for their own

 

Certainly not something we can do really based on current roles and as we see with wood some players have league pedigree but due to style or system or some intangible thing they don't replicate it at the next club. 

 

Buying from abroad carries more the physical/pace and sometimes culture risk but pure maths says if we have 40m to spend and can get 1 player or risk it spread over 2 or 3 with good scouting you will still get hits. 

 

I would like a mix of both to happen but think in the short term we need more of the shrewd stuff as we aren't at a team level where we just need 1 quality addition per season. 

 

 

Edited December 11 by nufcjmc

[Matt1892]

17 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I think it’s pretty important what the views of our sporting director are mind.

About 75% of our transfers have come from the Premier League, more than any other club I can think of since the takeover.

[Elliottman]

38 minutes ago, loki679 said:

I'd love us to be looking at players for their talent and vision rather than work rate tbh.

 

Ideally both. 

[hakka]

5 hours ago, Shak said:

We need to start identifying and buying players before they become expensive. Players in the 5 to 20 million bracket that we hope can grow into members of the first team, or at the very least will maintain their value and can be sold on for future PSR contributions.

 

It's very obviously the best way to compete with the current PSR rules yet it hasn't been part of the strategy almost at all.

 

We tried it once with Minteh. It was a massive success and we haven't tried it again. I guess Osula fits the description, maybe?

 

Bakayoko I remember us being linked with for reasonable fees last year. That was the time to move on him, not now when the fees quoted are vastly higher.

 

Elanga I'm sure Eddie could turn into a solid player but he's going to be very expensive, there'll be dozens of players with similar potential around the world who'll cost a fraction of what Elanga will.

 

There's a fair argument to be made that RW is a priority position and we need someone ready to step in and make an immediate impact. It's just very frustrating to me that we haven't moved on fringe players like Wilson, Murphy and Almiron for modest fees and reinvested that money on promising talent. We apparently walked away from 8m for Almiron in the summer. We couldn't have let him go and brought in a youngster from abroad that might have grown into something? Seems the plan was for Miggy to sit on the bench all year, anyway.

 

Fully agree with this. Our sustainability isn't going to be on getting £50m-£70m players on massive wages each season. Our existing players and positions needing upgrading will need backfills from ageing faster than we can buy them under PSR.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe academy costs are not wrapped up in PSR same as stadium investment, so we should be looking at a major upgrade their so 5 to 10 years we have the great kids coming through.

 

But more short term we have to be finding the players that are affordable and scouted well enough to mitigate risks for joining this league. Of course PL experience is nice, but the price of it is astronomical for players that are just average ability in it. Even one £70m star from another PL team could equate to 3 or 4 from around the world and on less wages combined. We've got be better and finding the players from lower leagues or aboard while we can't wriggle free from PSR.

 

 

Edited December 11 by hakka

[STM]

42 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

About 75% of our transfers have come from the Premier League, more than any other club I can think of since the takeover.

 

Burn 12m = Success

Targett 15m? = Failure

Wood 25m = Failure (getting 17m back made it pretty decent)

Pope 12m = Success

Gordon 45m = Success

Hall 35m = Success

Tino 35m = Success

Osula 10m = TBC

 

Not a bad hit rate though, especially when you consider that if we sold our England trio, we'd likely recoup conservatively 150m, probably more.

 

While on the other hand we've got a 55m Italian who's got the biggest question mark over his future on the "foreign signings" list.

 

I'm not disputing the need to cast our net wider though, I'm just trying to play devils advocate.

 

 

[hakka]

10 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Burn 12m = Success

Targett 15m? = Failure

Wood 25m = Failure (getting 17m back made it pretty decent)

Pope 12m = Success

Gordon 45m = Success

Hall 35m = Success

Tino 35m = Success

Osula 10m = TBC

 

Not a bad hit rate though, especially when you consider that if we sold our England trio, we'd likely recoup conservatively 150m, probably more.

 

While on the other hand we've got a 55m Italian who's got the biggest question mark over his future on the "foreign signings" list.

 

I'm not disputing the need to cast our net wider though, I'm just trying to play devils advocate.

 

 

 

Burn and Pope are in need of upgrading already. Burn probably should be backup last season.

 

Really only Gordon, Tino and Hall are sustainable signings. If we can pull more of those that's good, but it's not easy.

[cubaricho]

1 hour ago, Matt1892 said:

About 75% of our transfers have come from the Premier League, more than any other club I can think of since the takeover.

About? And just because you can’t think of any doesn’t mean it’s actually true.  
 

This board really needs to stop spouting opinions as cold hard facts. 

 

 

Edited December 11 by cubaricho

[cubaricho]

And my opinion on the matter is that yes, maybe since since the takeover we’ve signed too many players from the PL, but I believe we were in a position that not many other clubs were in and needed battle worn, proven PL quality players to help us get out of the shit and steady the ship, while other clubs could take punts on speculative players from abroad. 

[KaKa]

With some of the stuff I've been reading I think it will be very disappointing if we can't make something happen in January to give the team a jolt.

 

I already mentioned Tomori being ready to come back to England, and AC Milan apparently being ready to accommodate that as the new manager has him out of the first team currently. They are looking for £25 million.

 

Also at AC Milan, they are making Chukwueze available for £20 million, and he could be available on an initial loan too. Pulisic has made the right wing his and is limiting his opportunities, and they think he's too valuable to be kept on the bench.

 

Chukwueze is very much a Premier League player. If we have shown interest in the likes of Mbeumo and Madueke, he's very much in that mould and type of player. Worst case scenario getting a loan deal done at least, if nothing else is possible, should be looked at.

 

Looks like there will be deals available. I really hope we can do something.

[duo]

5 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

The transfer approach in theory was one of the few things of the Ashley era that was not a total nightmare.

[duo]

1 hour ago, STM said:

 

Burn 12m = Success

Targett 15m? = Failure

Wood 25m = Failure (getting 17m back made it pretty decent)

Pope 12m = Success

Gordon 45m = Success

Hall 35m = Success

Tino 35m = Success

Osula 10m = TBC

 

Not a bad hit rate though, especially when you consider that if we sold our England trio, we'd likely recoup conservatively 150m, probably more.

 

While on the other hand we've got a 55m Italian who's got the biggest question mark over his future on the "foreign signings" list.

 

I'm not disputing the need to cast our net wider though, I'm just trying to play devils advocate.

 

 

Targett and Wood were a success in that they helped keep us up

 

 

Edited December 11 by duo

[Collage]

58 minutes ago, KaKa said:

With some of the stuff I've been reading I think it will be very disappointing if we can't make something happen in January to give the team a jolt.

 

I already mentioned Tomori being ready to come back to England, and AC Milan apparently being ready to accommodate that as the new manager has him out of the first team currently. They are looking for £25 million.

 

Also at AC Milan, they are making Chukwueze available for £20 million, and he could be available on an initial loan too. Pulisic has made the right wing his and is limiting his opportunities, and they think he's too valuable to be kept on the bench.

 

Chukwueze is very much a Premier League player. If we have shown interest in the likes of Mbeumo and Madueke, he's very much in that mould and type of player. Worst case scenario getting a loan deal done at least, if nothing else is possible, should be looked at.

 

Looks like there will be deals available. I really hope we can do something.

Tomori for £25m, yes please. Makes the Guehi fee look even sillier. 

 

 

Edited December 11 by Collage

[Geordie_once_removed]

7 hours ago, mighty__mag said:

Kevin Zenon, release clause seems fairly low rumoured 17m.

 

Plays multiple positions. 

Sounds like a Bond villain. Sign him up.

[Matt1892]

2 hours ago, cubaricho said:

About? And just because you can’t think of any doesn’t mean it’s actually true.  
 

This board really needs to stop spouting opinions as cold hard facts. 

 

 

 

77.7%

 

No, there is no other club that has bought as many British based players than us.

 

Even when we go shopping in the championship where other clubs are picking up promising youngsters we come away with John Ruddy.

[Kaizero]

2 hours ago, STM said:

 

Burn 12m = Success

Targett 15m? = Failure

Wood 25m = Failure (getting 17m back made it pretty decent)

Pope 12m = Success

Gordon 45m = Success

Hall 35m = Success

Tino 35m = Success

Osula 10m = TBC

 

Not a bad hit rate though, especially when you consider that if we sold our England trio, we'd likely recoup conservatively 150m, probably more.

 

While on the other hand we've got a 55m Italian who's got the biggest question mark over his future on the "foreign signings" list.

 

I'm not disputing the need to cast our net wider though, I'm just trying to play devils advocate.

 

 

 

Wouldn't call Targett a "failure" given his reported price tag and the reasoning for bringing him in. He did what he came to do and has provided alright cover since then. I'd not class him as a transfer "success" as he didn't outperform expectations, but calling him a "failure" I find a bit harsh given that he did what was asked of him and didn't underperform, all whilst not costing an insane amount to sign in the first place.

 

Wood was, and is, a weird one. The price tag was horrid, but if I was to rate the transfer as a whole and thus include what we recouped from him - I'd say it was £8m well spent. Not a transfer "success" but not really a "failure" either. 

 

Burn has outperformed the fee we paid for him, so he's absolutely a "success" transfer. Same with Pope. Gordon hasn't outperformed his transfer fee in my eyes, but hasn't underperformed either - so I'd rate his transfer (at the moment) on par with the Targett and Wood transfers. Hall and Tino I feel have so far underperformed their transfer fees, regardless of the faith I have in them for the future. I'd feel wrong to rate them as "failures" at the moment though, even with what I said was my opinion on the transfers currently, as you gotta account for future potential as well. 

 

Instead, I'd just include a third option, "Okay", in addition to "Failure" and "Success". That would make my review of the same list look like this:

 

Burn 12m = Success

Targett 15m? = Okay

Wood 25m = Okay

Pope 12m = Success

Gordon 45m = Okay

Hall 35m = Okay

Tino 35m = Okay

Osula 10m = TBC

 

So two "successes" and five "okays" out of seven transfers total. I'd say that equals a very decent transfer record. (Osula can't be anything other than TBC at this point).

[Holmesy]

The PL targeting thing isn’t just based on players we’ve signed, it’s also the players we have clearly had an interest in given the persistent links - Guehi, Elanga, Mbuemo, Calvert-Lewin, Gallagher etc.

 

How many persistent links have we had to players outside of this league in the past couple of seasons?

 

 

Edited December 11 by Holmesy

[Mikky]

8 hours ago, mighty__mag said:

Kevin Zenon, release clause seems fairly low rumoured 17m.

 

Plays multiple positions. 

 

Thia is the profile we need - on a free in the summer 

[54]

Its bullshit, but its a rumour:

 

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2024/12/11/andreas-christensen-transfer-newcastle/

[HaydnNUFC]

54 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

The PL targeting thing isn’t just based on players we’ve signed, it’s also the players we have clearly had an interest in given the persistent links - Guehi, Elanga, Mbuemo, Calvert-Lewin, Gallagher etc.

 

How many persistent links have we had to players outside of this league in the past couple of seasons?

 

 

 

 

The only remotely reliable ones we've had off the top of my head are Thiaw and that total nonstarter of Tapsoba in the summer just gone and Bakayoko yesterday. 

 

 

Edited December 11 by HaydnNUFC

[Holmesy]

18 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

The only remotely reliable ones we've had off the top of my head are Thiaw and that total nonstarter of Tapsoba in the summer just gone and Bakayoko yesterday. 

 

 

 

Theyre the only ones I can recall as well, and they were nowhere as persistent as the PL links. Whether that’s down to more concentrated agent chatter in the UK, who knows but there definitely seems to be something in this ‘PL preference’ thing. 

[nufc123]

Need a RW, CB and ST in 2025.