NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Ronson333]

Just now, JasMann said:

This is very weird bro. Very. 

No worries, denial I get it. I’ll be with you on every post 😎keep posting, I’ll offer support.

[Shearergol]

I can’t work out whether this is someone being supportive of mental health or taking the piss out of it. Should go without saying that anyone struggling will have plenty of support on here. Stop making it weird before it puts someone who really might need some support off.

[JasMann]

2 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

I can’t work out whether this is someone being supportive of mental health or taking the piss out of it. Should go without saying that anyone struggling will have plenty of support on here. Stop making it weird before it puts someone who really might need some support off.

I don’t at all! It’s super weird, I presume he thinks I’m like a random Mackem or something that joined. The funniest part is I said what my username was, and I was on this forum about a decade before him. It’s all completely weird. I fell over in front of Ben Arfa before he even signed up 

[Nine]

1 hour ago, KaKa said:

 

At various points we got linked loads with Kephrem Thuram, Manu Kone and Youssouf Fofana. Versatile CMs that can play either the 6 or 8.

 

All of these three moved for around 25 million Euros and are plenty good enough players. We are just really not that great in the market often enough tbh.

 

I will never really accept the idea that there's no players to sign out there.

 

 

Apples and oranges, I assumed poster was referring to an actual out and out DM as he didn’t specify otherwise.

 

I agree with the points you made, it’s a shame we just don’t seem to be in the market for these guys. 

[Magpie Mover]

Newcastle United midfielder Bruno Guimaraes, 28, tops Manchester United's list of potential replacements for fellow Brazilian Casemiro, 34, and the club has already held talks with the player's representatives. (UOL - in Portuguese)

[Zero]

2 hours ago, JasMann said:

I don’t at all! It’s super weird, I presume he thinks I’m like a random Mackem or something that joined. The funniest part is I said what my username was, and I was on this forum about a decade before him. It’s all completely weird. I fell over in front of Ben Arfa before he even signed up 

just put him in your ignore list if some offend you personally 

[robbo_11]

It would seem local journalists have been briefed with Edwards, Hope and Douglas all saying Howe will be backed this evening, but a pivot towards younger players (23 and under) in a summer 'revival'. This will mean selling players and being bold i.e. Krafth, Trippier and Schar being released as opposed to kicking can down the road.

 

We've seen names linked - the below are mainly from Hope and Douglas with the one in bold from more than one source, but do people think it will be wholesale changes? It would make sense clubs might be open to selling when players contracts are coming to an end which might influence decisions however I don't know if Howe would be open to such a change in tact. I don't feel like these would be the equivalent to bringing in the likes of Hall, Livramento, Botman, Bruno, Isak and Tonali.

 

Robin Risser, 21 GK (contracted until 2030)

Anan Khalaili, 21 or Bart van Rooij, 24 RB (contracted until 2028)

Tom Rothe, 21 Hugo Bueno, 23 (contracted until 2028) or Dayann Methalie, 20 LB (contracted until 2030)

Kees Smith, 20 (contracted until 2028) or Lamine Camara, 22 MF (contracted until 2029)

Said El Mala, 19 or Bazoumana Toure, 20 FWD (contracted until 2030/2029)

 

 

 

[Stifler]

7 minutes ago, robbo_11 said:

It would seem local journalists have been briefed with Edwards, Hope and Douglas all saying Howe will be backed this evening, but a pivot towards younger players (23 and under) in a summer 'revival'. This will mean selling players and being bold i.e. Krafth, Trippier and Schar being released as opposed to kicking can down the road.

 

We've seen names linked - the below are mainly from Hope and Douglas with the one in bold from more than one source, but do people think it will be wholesale changes? It would make sense clubs might be open to selling when players contracts are coming to an end which might influence decisions however I don't know if Howe would be open to such a change in tact. I don't feel like these would be the equivalent to bringing in the likes of Hall, Livramento, Botman, Bruno, Isak and Tonali.

 

Robin Risser, 21 GK (contracted until 2030)

Anan Khalaili, 21 or Bart van Rooij, 24 RB (contracted until 2028)

Tom Rothe, 21 Hugo Bueno, 23 (contracted until 2028) or Dayann Methalie, 20 LB (contracted until 2030)

Kees Smith, 20 (contracted until 2028) or Lamine Camara, 22 MF (contracted until 2029)

Said El Mala, 19 or Bazoumana Toure, 20 FWD (contracted until 2030/2029)

We have to pivot towards younger players.

Older players are more expensive as they have established a level, and there is no resale value in them. We are seeing that with Trippier, Burn, and players we had under Ashley who aged out.

 

No one want to sell say Joelinton, or Bruno, but pretty soon they will have little real value as well, and the frustrations we have with Trippier, and are starting to have with Burn will arrive for those players.

PSR means that we can’t keep a hold of players forever, even if they do become club icons and fans favourites. What we need to do is find the balance right, sell them before their value plummets too much, but also have their replacements lined up for less than what we receive in fees for them.

 

Until our revenue is at a level where we can afford to buy other teams players just as they are about to peak and at their peak value, and to keep ahold of them, this is what we’ll have to do, and we are probably about 10-15 years away from gaining those revenue figures.

[Ben]

Hopefully Suds and Wilson have 6 or 7 wonderkids lined up 

[huss9]

need to bring back a couple of ex players.

i'd go for Staveley and Ashworth for starters.

 

[Moose]

21 minutes ago, huss9 said:

need to bring back a couple of ex players.

i'd go for Staveley and Ashworth for starters.

 

 

See if Liverpool would take Elanga, Wissa, Woltemade, Osula, Pope, Willock, Krafth, Targett and Ruddy in exchange for Isak and pretend last summer never happened 

 

[KaKa]

https://somosfanaticos.fans/br/futebol-brasileiro/palmeiras/newcastle-prepara-r-284-milhoes-por-allan-do-palmeiras-napoli-zenit-e-liverpool-tambem-tem-interesse?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter

[1881]

29 minutes ago, huss9 said:

need to bring back a couple of ex players.

i'd go for Staveley and Ashworth for starters.

 

Too good people, but they were operating at a time when we had a healthy PSR balance due to Ashley’s stinginess and also when we could sell players a dream of being one of the top clubs in Europe. 

[TK-421]

5 minutes ago, KaKa said:

https://somosfanaticos.fans/br/futebol-brasileiro/palmeiras/newcastle-prepara-r-284-milhoes-por-allan-do-palmeiras-napoli-zenit-e-liverpool-tambem-tem-interesse?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter

 

'Allan'

Brazilians names have gone so english! 

[lovejoy]

10 minutes ago, KaKa said:

https://somosfanaticos.fans/br/futebol-brasileiro/palmeiras/newcastle-prepara-r-284-milhoes-por-allan-do-palmeiras-napoli-zenit-e-liverpool-tambem-tem-interesse?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter

Been linked with this lad a few times now haven’t we? Could be something in it

[rebelrouser]

1 hour ago, 1881 said:

Too good people, but they were operating at a time when we had a healthy PSR balance due to Ashley’s stinginess and also when we could sell players a dream of being one of the top clubs in Europe. 

We spent £277M this summer when the dream of being one of the top clubs in Europe was still very much alive.  The summer business was spectacularly bad.  

[Zero]

5 hours ago, robbo_11 said:

It would seem local journalists have been briefed with Edwards, Hope and Douglas all saying Howe will be backed this evening, but a pivot towards younger players (23 and under) in a summer 'revival'. This will mean selling players and being bold i.e. Krafth, Trippier and Schar being released as opposed to kicking can down the road.

 

We've seen names linked - the below are mainly from Hope and Douglas with the one in bold from more than one source, but do people think it will be wholesale changes? It would make sense clubs might be open to selling when players contracts are coming to an end which might influence decisions however I don't know if Howe would be open to such a change in tact. I don't feel like these would be the equivalent to bringing in the likes of Hall, Livramento, Botman, Bruno, Isak and Tonali.

 

Robin Risser, 21 GK (contracted until 2030)

Anan Khalaili, 21 or Bart van Rooij, 24 RB (contracted until 2028)

Tom Rothe, 21 Hugo Bueno, 23 (contracted until 2028) or Dayann Methalie, 20 LB (contracted until 2030)

Kees Smith, 20 (contracted until 2028) or Lamine Camara, 22 MF (contracted until 2029)

Said El Mala, 19 or Bazoumana Toure, 20 FWD (contracted until 2030/2029)

 

 

 

 

Howe should have no say on transfer. Thats a correct decision. If he is not fine with it and wants to retain his power then we should find someone else

[Groundhog63]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

 

Howe should have no say on transfer. Thats a correct decision. If he is not fine with it and wants to retain his power then we should find someone else

 

Yeah, CEO should just listen to Newcastle-Online's FM champs 😉

[Zero]

1 hour ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

Yeah, CEO should just listen to Newcastle-Online's FM champs 😉

 

So you are fine with the current setup that Howe has the final say on transfer? You serious?

[madras]

41 minutes ago, Zero said:

 

So you are fine with the current setup that Howe has the final say on transfer? You serious?

He shouldn't have the final say.....but he shouldn't have no say.

[nufc4eva]

If we can't get a top forward I think we need to target someone that's aggressive and a real handful up front as well as a more technical wise player/attacking mid to reinvent ourselves. Someone that can just occupy and almost bully defenders as we don't have that. Was impressed by how Brobbey did that the other day even if he's not a top goalscorer he caused problems and that opened it up for others.

 

Ideally would be a top striker but unlikely to find another Isak easily. 

 

Alongside that I think a DM or midfielder that's going to cover that back 4 more, 2 fullback cover, a keeper and centre half are needed.

 

Think we may need to sell a Livra, Gordon, Bruno or Tonali to fund a good rebuild and not against it if reinvested properly.

[Ben]

1 minute ago, nufc4eva said:

If we can't get a top forward I think we need to target someone that's aggressive and a real handful up front as well as a more technical wise player/attacking mid to reinvent ourselves. Someone that can just occupy and almost bully defenders as we don't have that. Was impressed by how Brobbey did that the other day even if he's not a top goalscorer he caused problems and that opened it up for others.

 

Ideally would be a top striker but unlikely to find another Isak easily. 

 

Alongside that I think a DM or midfielder that's going to cover that back 4 more, 2 fullback cover, a keeper and centre half are needed.

 

Think we may need to sell a Livra, Gordon, Bruno or Tonali to fund a good rebuild and not against it if reinvested properly.

 

TBF I'm happy to purchase youngins with potential to replace a few outgoing purples, it looks like thats how we are now set up anyway and without European football can we even attract established stars.

[nufc4eva]

1 minute ago, Ben said:

 

TBF I'm happy to purchase youngins with potential to replace a few outgoing purples, it looks like thats how we are now set up anyway and without European football can we even attract established stars.

 

Can't attract them and can't afford some of them as well, would rather we operate under the radar a bit and just be smart with our selling of players. If some have to go fair enough as long as squad and team as a whole evolves.

 

It's a difficult one as we did in the summer go for players that would have moved us forward but big teams all swooped in, we need to take a chance on younger, less developed but with attributes to increase resale / their output. At the moment I just want a team that doesn't just collapse and can play something resembling good football. I think a few technical players alongside a bit more aggressive types changes our game.

 

We need an absolute menace up front that can drag defenders where they don't want to be, Gordon has done that a bit but due to having absolutely shit wingers and attacking mid type players we can't use that consistently. We have already seen with Hall and Ramsey their technical abilities and need a bit of that on wings instead of inability to dribble, retain ball or good passing. It's all a bit kick and rush up front

[Keegans Export]

3 hours ago, Ben said:

TBF I'm happy to purchase youngins with potential to replace a few outgoing purples, it looks like thats how we are now set up anyway and without European football can we even attract established stars.

 

7 hours ago, Zero said:

Howe should have no say on transfer. Thats a correct decision. If he is not fine with it and wants to retain his power then we should find someone else

 

13 hours ago, Stifler said:

We have to pivot towards younger players.

Older players are more expensive as they have established a level, and there is no resale value in them. We are seeing that with Trippier, Burn, and players we had under Ashley who aged out.

 

No one want to sell say Joelinton, or Bruno, but pretty soon they will have little real value as well, and the frustrations we have with Trippier, and are starting to have with Burn will arrive for those players.

PSR means that we can’t keep a hold of players forever, even if they do become club icons and fans favourites. What we need to do is find the balance right, sell them before their value plummets too much, but also have their replacements lined up for less than what we receive in fees for them.

 

Until our revenue is at a level where we can afford to buy other teams players just as they are about to peak and at their peak value, and to keep ahold of them, this is what we’ll have to do, and we are probably about 10-15 years away from gaining those revenue figures.

These are all absolutely valid points and we are probably going to have to hit the reset button to an extent. Post-takeover Newcastle United 1.0 has just about run it's course so we're going to have to work out what version 2.0 is going to look like.

 

Having said that, if we are going for a rebuild that has to mean the expectations on the manager change too. If we lose two of Tonali, Tino, Gordon and replace them with five or six U23s from Europe/Brazil then there has to be an acceptance that it might take a couple of seasons for that rebuild to take shape. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

But we signed Trippier and Burn for good and valid reasons, the main one being relegation and the previous 15 years of Ashley leaving the squad in a horrific state. And the reason they haven’t been let go is that we also needed to sign another load of players to go with them. And this is while qualifying for the CL twice. 
 

I really don’t think we appreciate the level of work that was required to achieve what we’ve done since the takeover. It’s an incredible level of progress. 
 

Everyone wants better players for less money and no transfer errors. But that’s different to the question of the overall strategy for picking targets.