Zero Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, TRon said: It wasn't really a gamble, we were paying for what we thought were guaranteed goals. It was just bad scouting and poor research since he doesn't seem to have any of the qualities we require from a centre forward to fit our method. you know what? The worst part of the transfer is you didn’t realize it’s a gamble and you simply couldn’t spot the risk behind this is not direct to you btw, but all those who thought “ah it’s ok 55m is just a steep price for guaranteed goals” no, as proven by fact Edited March 24 by Zero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 1 minute ago, Zero said: you know what? The worst part of the transfer is you didn’t realize it’s a gamble and you simply couldn’t spot the risk behind this is not direct to you btw, but all those who thought “ah it’s ok 55m is just a steep price for guaranteed goals” no, as proven by fact Well I'm not going to be wise after the event. At the time I thought we WERE getting guaranteed goals so I was fine with paying over the odds because I thought it would offset losing Isak. But how we have failed to get him into our team is a major failure, either on the recruitment front, or the way we are set up tactically. We can't blame his fitness any more because Howe has said he's fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I’d be amazed if we had a complete overhaul. Eddie requires such a niche combination of attributes. That’s why he can only choose from an incredibly small pool of players. We’re far more restricted than other clubs because of that. Perhaps that’s been the problem this season. For what he requires, Wolt, Elangaand, Wissa didn’t quite fit the mould. Ramsey a bit better but perfect either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Most of the noise online screaming mass overhaul/ huge reset etc go on to list Tripps, Ramsdale, Schar and Willock and then the possibility of losing one of Tonali, Bruno or Gordon. Oooooh, radical Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 oh yeah forgot about Tino, which is somewhat understandable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 1 minute ago, Holloway said: oh yeah forgot about Tino, which is somewhat understandable He’s the one I’d let go and keep Bruno ( obviously ) Sandro and Gordon. Edited March 25 by PauloGeordio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) I won't post this every day but I really think we can only afford to sell one good player. Ideally none, but if we have to. Tino would be my choice because he will go to a club that are not a rival and should cost a lot of money due to being English. Also serviceable FBs should be slightly easier to find. If we sell Tonali and/or Gordon then we've got a massive job on just to stay still in terms of quality. Edited March 25 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Just now, PauloGeordio said: He’s the one I’d let go and keep Bruno ( obviously ) Sandro and Gordon. yep, same Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 18 hours ago, TRon said: Well I'm not going to be wise after the event. At the time I thought we WERE getting guaranteed goals so I was fine with paying over the odds because I thought it would offset losing Isak. But how we have failed to get him into our team is a major failure, either on the recruitment front, or the way we are set up tactically. We can't blame his fitness any more because Howe has said he's fit. Last sentence is a bit simplistic, but agree generally. Wissa should've been an overpriced but reliable transfer, which you could easily argue was justified given our only goalscorer was going and Wilson also unlikely to stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I won't post this every day but I really think we can only afford to sell one good player. Ideally none, but if we have to. Tino would be my choice because he will go to a club that are not a rival and should cost a lot of money due to being English. Also serviceable FBs should be slightly easier to find. If we sell Tonali and/or Gordon then we've got a massive job on just to stay still in terms of quality. Hypothetically if Liverpool and Man City bid £80m in the summer for Gordon and Tonali, then they’re gone. They will be determined to go and trying to cling onto two underperforming players instead of taking the £160m will end up looking terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 What positions do Liverpool need? Do they not need a Salah replacement on the right? See you later Murphs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 12 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said: What positions do Liverpool need? Do they not need a Salah replacement on the right? See you later Murphs Sounds like they want rid of Gakpo as well, so I think they’ll be after Gordon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 9 minutes ago, Kimbo said: Sounds like they want rid of Gakpo as well, so I think they’ll be after Gordon. Think they are after Diomande from Leipzig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 4 hours ago, Lotus said: I’d be amazed if we had a complete overhaul. Eddie requires such a niche combination of attributes. That’s why he can only choose from an incredibly small pool of players. We’re far more restricted than other clubs because of that. Perhaps that’s been the problem this season. For what he requires, Wolt, Elangaand, Wissa didn’t quite fit the mould. Ramsey a bit better but perfect either. Yeah I don't even think an overhaul is definitely necessary let alone likely. We 100% need a new 'keeper, but beyond that I'm not certain where/if we bring in new players. The whole point with having Howe in theory (and backed up by our reality) is that he can spot players others don't and they turn into highly effective players. I don't see him giving up on them, wholesale, after a very difficult season with limited opportunities to improve through being coached. Edited March 25 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 3 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Think they are after Diomande from Leipzig. Olise there number one target apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Just now, Kid Icarus said: Yeah I don't even think an overhaul is necessary let alone likely. We 100% need a new 'keeper, but beyond that I'm not certain where/if we bring in new players. The whole point with Howe in theory (and backed up by our reality) is that he can spot players others don't and they turn into highly effective players. I don't see him giving up on them, wholesale, after a very difficult season with limited opportunities to improve through being coached. We need a lot imo. A lot of deadwood/aged players/players who will want to be off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Olise there number one target apparently. Bayern are saying not for sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 We can sell Gordon. He will go with price tag so big that it will help replacing other positions too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Bayern are saying not for sale. I hope they stick to it, would hate to see Olise at Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 5 minutes ago, KingArthur said: We can sell Gordon. He will go with price tag so big that it will help replacing other positions too. We can but we would need to buy extremely well to end up with a better attack after it. And if we lost Tonali we’d need to spend a fair bit just to stay still in CM as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 hour ago, Rafalove said: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 5 hours ago, Lotus said: I’d be amazed if we had a complete overhaul. Eddie requires such a niche combination of attributes. That’s why he can only choose from an incredibly small pool of players. We’re far more restricted than other clubs because of that. Perhaps that’s been the problem this season. For what he requires, Wolt, Elangaand, Wissa didn’t quite fit the mould. Ramsey a bit better but perfect either. We don't need a complete overhaul to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 A top-drawer keeper will make a massive impact, but I do think right winger/striker aren’t too far behind in terms of priority. Refuse to believe Elanga can ever be the player we need there based on all evidence to date, and while I’m loathe to give up on Woltemade, the alternative is a total style change to get players in and around him to play to his strengths. Wissa looks to have next to no attributes to lead the line in the way we need him to, but I appreciate the sample size there is small and he’s hardly shown his best. You’d think it’s at least five/six in and out, whichever way you slice it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 First team outgoings and whether we get Europe or not will probably dictate the volume of signings. If we have no Europe, while Tino and Tonsli stay, it'll probably be circa four signings, but I don't think they will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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