AJ9 Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 We need a signing like 🤣. I have to say I agree with TCD in the sense that I don’t get the distinction when people say talent and athletic ability as separate things. I personally don’t see where technical ability ends and some form of physical attribute starts. It feels like a very blurry thing - vision, passing, movement, ball striking are all acts executed via an elite athlete, and can be trained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 (edited) For me real genuine talent is like HBA. Just born with a gift and a ridiculous touch. Meanwhile players like Doku and ASM have more “learned” the skill imo (while also having very quick feet physically) Edited June 19, 2025 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 Just to contribute to an utterly pointless debate. Footballing talent is of a different character to athleticism. A talented athlete is not by right a talented footballer and a talented footballer is not by right a talented athlete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: I remember vividly because I couldn’t believe what you were saying I actually thought you were pretending to have watched him or like.. racism was blinding you to his very obvious skill set. You were describing a very basic West African winger type. At worst Kudus is a Mercurial talent. You were saying he has a genuine lack of footballing ability/talent beyond athleticism, couldn’t believe it. Sulemana is closer to the description you were giving. I prefer Kudus because of the higher ceiling. In the right environment Kudus could be a world class player. Surprisingly good in the air, beats a man, shoot off both feet, a threat from range, work in tight spaces, find a pass etc. under Howe Kudus could go to the moon or at very least hit career highs. He has that bit of magic. I think that’s reflected in the fact West Ham would probably want a larger fee than Elanga despite having a poorer season last go out. My dad’s half West African so I hope it wasn’t that. Think we’d been linked to both at the time and I got them confused. Knowing me I probably doubled down without really checking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gbandit Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 I feel like if we were an animal we’d have been put out of our misery by now. We should all pitch in and get an Anton Chigurh tribute act to take out a few of the weaker fans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 1 minute ago, Ikon said: For me real genuine talent is like HBA. Just born with a gift and a ridiculous touch. Meanwhile players like Doku and ASM have more “learned” the skill imo (while also having very quick feet physically) All are talents that are honed. That ability to do tricks - mentally and physically - is a talent. Dancing is a talent. Running fast is a talent. Being strong is a talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: All are talents that are honed. That ability to do tricks - mentally and physically - is a talent. Dancing is a talent. Running fast is a talent. Being strong is a talent. Cool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: All are talents that are honed. That ability to do tricks - mentally and physically - is a talent. Dancing is a talent. Running fast is a talent. Being strong is a talent. What about autofellatio? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 17 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said: Just to contribute to an utterly pointless debate. Footballing talent is of a different character to athleticism. A talented athlete is not by right a talented footballer and a talented footballer is not by right a talented athlete. Yeh but these are all footballers. Like being fast and strong is a talent in tennis. It's not a technical talent but a talent nonetheless that helps with the game. When Bale ran off the pitch to run around that Barcelona player and scored - that was a goal that was only possible due to his insane physical talent. The overhead kick was still a display of talent but a different type. As are the freekicks he's scored. All a combination of incredible physical, technical, mental talents. I get it - in football we revere technical talents the most. Those are what I call "ballers". That Monaco winger looks a baller, Kudus is a baller. Elanga isn't. Doesn't mean they are not talented footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottlob Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 What's the difference though between a talent and a baller and rizz? Like maybe Eric Cantona had rizz but was he a baller? And if he did have rizz was it a product of some god-given natural talent or did it owe more to some of the films he watched and the books that he read? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 (edited) 12 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Yeh but these are all footballers. Like being fast and strong is a talent in tennis. It's not a technical talent but a talent nonetheless that helps with the game. When Bale ran off the pitch to run around that Barcelona player and scored - that was a goal that was only possible due to his insane physical talent. The overhead kick was still a display of talent but a different type. As are the freekicks he's scored. All a combination of incredible physical, technical, mental talents. I get it - in football we revere technical talents the most. Those are what I call "ballers". That Monaco winger looks a baller, Kudus is a baller. Elanga isn't. Doesn't mean they are not talented footballers. This is complete nothing. Edited June 19, 2025 by Shays Given Tim Flowers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JUICE690 Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 19 minutes ago, gbandit said: Mag on rtg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahoneys Tache Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 I don’t recall who said it, but I remember something along the lines of we used to take footballers and make them athletes. Now we take athletes and make footballers out of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 Newcastle’s transfer business… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 When is Eddie back for pre season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 We're in the middle of June, lads. Go outside or something. We'll be alright. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 Just now, The Butcher said: We're in the middle of June, lads. Go outside or something. We'll be alright. What is this ‘outside’ you speak of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 Aye, middle of June and… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 Wonder what Shefki Kuqi is up to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 1 hour ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said: Just to contribute to an utterly pointless debate. Footballing talent is of a different character to athleticism. A talented athlete is not by right a talented footballer and a talented footballer is not by right a talented athlete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 Liverpool interested in Guehi. Can pretty much rule us out if they go for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted June 19, 2025 Share Posted June 19, 2025 1 hour ago, Ikon said: For me real genuine talent is like HBA. Just born with a gift and a ridiculous touch. Meanwhile players like Doku and ASM have more “learned” the skill imo (while also having very quick feet physically) Always preferred Ginola to Hatem, not taking anything away from Hatem mind. Also felt Laurent Robert had the edge with his striking, super powerful accurate shooting. Hatem was like a hybrid of the pair of them, but Ginola just edges it, think its the way he moved for a taller sexy bastard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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