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18 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:


Would it be that different to the Wood signing at the time? Came in did a job for us and was sold 18 months later for a fee that covered his remaining book value? I reckon we still get 25-30M for Watkins in 2 years time as long as he doesn’t turn into glass

I can see where your coming from and if Watkins was 25 or 30m there would be a long list of clubs after him. 

 

Villa don't want to sell is their official line and I feel 60/65m would be required so if that's true we give a big pot of psr helping money to villa, knock on affect of isak going which based on goal scored between the 2 last few seasons would be a small loss but isak is 26 this year and Watkins is 30 this year.

 

Future value on a player in 2 or 3 years who knows no gaurentees of holding 30 or 35m still. 

 

Also the isak sales headroom would be going on a very very good quick fix but due to how much book value isak still has and this reported 10/15/20% sell on its not a load of extra wiggle room if your forking out big money on the replacement who has "peaked" value wise.

 

 

 

 

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We’re in August and we need a CB (at least one actually), a CM, a striker (possibly two) and ideally an AM / 10. We’ve had two months to make deals and we have a very good RW and a keeper who is in on a good deal and will likely become our first choice keeper for large parts of the season. I’d say given all the context of the window so far we’re probably hovering at a 3/10 so far

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20 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

If we bought a 29 year old Watkin it would probably mean we were losing a 25 year old Isak to one of our rivals. No thanks. 


I absolutely get that, not all of that is entirely within the clubs control though. Hopefully recent events have made the like.y outcome of that clearer, but I have a suspicion we've not heard the last from the Scouse cunts yet.

 

I was just pointing out that If we do go short-term fix on Watkins, it’s not necessarily the PSR nightmare others have described

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14 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

I can see where your coming from and if Watkins was 25 or 30m there would be a long list of clubs after him. 

 

Villa don't want to sell is their official line and I feel 60/65m would be required so if that's true we give a big pot of psr helping money to villa, knock on affect of isak going which based on goal scored between the 2 last few seasons would be a small loss but isak is 26 this year and Watkins is 30 this year.

 

Future value on a player in 2 or 3 years who knows no gaurentees of holding 30 or 35m still. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


But that’s the point say it’s £60m and he has two good years for us and remains fit, with the continued fee inflation (thanks ESL6) there’s a good chance 31 year old Watkins still goes for £35M. Consequently wiping his face from a PSR perspective. It doesn’t generate any additional headroom no, but it doesn’t necessarily put us in a massive hole either

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Weezertron said:

I'd rather get DCL on a free than stump 60m for Watkins. Fucking hell man. What's happened?

As painful and depressing as it would be signing DCL, you are absolutely correct in this scenario.

 

We would be bailing out Villa from their PSR issues and giving ourselves a massive headache down the line. It would be reckless and irresponsible, it’s to be hoped the idea is shot down by those managing the finances.
 

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10 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:


But that’s the point say it’s £60m and he has two good years for us and remains fit, with the continued fee inflation (thanks ESL6) there’s a good chance 31 year old Watkins still goes for £35M. Consequently wiping his face from a PSR perspective. It doesn’t generate any addition headroom no, but it doesn’t necessarily put us in a massive hole either

I get you but saying stuff like we will sell him for 35m is just not gaurenteed. I mean nothing is gaurenteed 80m shiny your players from europe could flop etc etc

 

But your buying an older player at peak value and alot of the isak headroom would be gone on that older player. IF we couldn't get 35m back and he hangs around and goes for free like Wilson then its alot of outlay for 2/3 good years.

 

We have alot of older players to replace in the coming years burn, Lascelles, schar, Trips, kraft, targettt, murphy will all go for no or very little money and need replacing. What we do with big income injections really does matter when your general revenue isn't that great. 

 

 

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Buying Paqueta would be a good signing and will keep Bruno happy.

 

A good step up and replacement for Longstaff.

 

Maybe he could play as a 10 or a second striker?

 

 

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1 minute ago, nufcjmc said:

I get you but saying stuff like we will sell him for 35m is just not gaurenteed. I mean nothing is gaurenteed 80m shiny your players from europe could flop etc etc

 

But your buying an older pay at peak value and alot of the isak headroom would be gone on that older player. IF we couldn't get 35m back and he hangs around and goes for free like Wilson then its alot of outlay for 2 good years.

 

We have alot of older players to replace in the coming years burn, Lascelles, schar, Trips, kraft, targettt will all go for no or very little money and need replacing. What we do with big income injections really does matter when your general revenue isn't that great. 


Yeah but hopefully that’s when the likes of Sansusi, Shahar, Finneran etc are hopefully beginning to at least fill the bench (or generate some funds in sales rather than moving for free to the Northern League)

 

not all funds need to be generated by existing first team squad members, I mean Minteh is the most recent example of this (as galling as having to sell him was)

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8 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

I get you but saying stuff like we will sell him for 35m is just not gaurenteed. I mean nothing is gaurenteed 80m shiny your players from europe could flop etc etc

 

But your buying an older pay at peak value and alot of the isak headroom would be gone on that older player. IF we couldn't get 35m back and he hangs around and goes for free like Wilson then its alot of outlay for 2/3 good years.

 

We have alot of older players to replace in the coming years burn, Lascelles, schar, Trips, kraft, targettt, murphy will all go for no or very little money and need replacing. What we do with big income injections really does matter when your general revenue isn't that great. 

 

 

 

Completely agree. Selling Isak is unpalatable and difficult to swallow if it happens, however if the worst case scenario happens it gives us huge PSR breathing room.

 

Blowing that chance of a rebuild would be criminal, especially taking into account the ageing nature of our squad.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:


Yeah but hopefully that’s when the likes of Sansusi, Shahar, Finneran etc are hopefully beginning to at least fill the bench (or generate some funds in sales rather than moving for free to the Northern League)

 

not all funds need to be generated by existing first team squad members, I mean Minteh is the most recent example of this (as galling as having to sell him was)

Its imperative we start to get a better hit rate from our youth team be it squad players for us or saleable assets but right now our hit rate has been awful and again no gaurentees with who we have been hovering up turning into the next Minteh. 

 

I guess we all would like PSR to disappear so we can just enjoy the players we have with the time we have with them instead of worrying about what value they hold down the line. 

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1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Similar one to Jackson, the sort of player people want us to sign now, when he was signing for Chelsea a couple of years ago. 

Jackson has a lot of potential, a lot more talent and is way younger. Disasi has been nothing short of a complete mess in this league and is already 27. I think Jackson would be a good option for £40m. I don’t think Disasi would be a good option for any amount 

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