kingxlnc Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 Another option - Alvarez is coming this weekend with Atletico. Let’s get Lautaro Martinez or Marcus Thuram from Inter. Ivan Toney on loan. Guirhassy. CR7 on loan. Theres still plenty of decent CFs out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: No, if you have a director of football who is competent i would expect we sign players who want to sign for us as everyone else seems to do. Let's be frank, our transfer issues in this window are outliers for the rest of the league. But of course they’re outliers. There’s not a single other team in the league that’s even attempting to compete with the top six for players without being one of them. Maybe we should have been less ambitious from the start, but I don’t necessarily think a DOF would have been able to make that decision either given the excitement around the club prior to this window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyUtd Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 14 minutes ago, r0cafella said: This is such a stupid tweet man. We didn't get any of them as they had better options. Id expect a director of football was in charge of recruitment to have a very good idea of who wants to join and get stuff over the line. This window has been an absolutely failure. Who is hammering Eddie Howe too? No one as far as I can see. It's saying he can't do it all by himself. Crook just trying to stir some pot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 5 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I think your a cracking poster but I hate this post How does a linear or none linear trajectory work when a clear glass ceiling is in place. Unless something changes i imagine we yoyo between European qualifications challengers to slightly below. Obviously it's hard to predict as the information we have is incomplete but for me this is far more of a realistic outlook than just hoping things improve. Cheers man. It depends what the linear progress is moving towards. I was talking in terms of incremental improvement, rather than with a specific end goal in mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 1 minute ago, kingxlnc said: Another option - Alvarez is coming this weekend with Atletico. Let’s get Lautaro Martinez or Marcus Thuram from Inter. Ivan Toney on loan. Guirhassy. CR7 on loan. Theres still plenty of decent CFs out there. Let's just instead tell Isak he's going nowhere and needs to suck it up, then get Wissa or similar second striker. Think we have exhausted the good options as replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 Just now, oldtype said: But of course they’re outliers. There’s not a single other team in the league that’s even attempting to compete with the top six for players without being one of them. Maybe we should have been less ambitious from the start, but I don’t necessarily think a DOF would have been able to make that decision either given the excitement around the club prior to this window. So it's bad targeting then? As I've said absolutely no benefit trying to buy players who have better options. It's up to us to recognise this it's just a waste of time and resources. Id expect any director of football to take a level headed approach tbh, and not be swept away with hubris. It's another reason why you'd want one tbh. I understand the concept isn't popular but I think it's quite clear why this model exists and the manager led models basically died with Klopp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: Cheers man. It depends what the linear progress is moving towards. I was talking in terms of incremental improvement, rather than with a specific end goal in mind. I hear you man, like Liverpool I'm a destination poster Stupidly aside sorry for being harsh, I meant what I said your a canny poster and I don't want to see you go on hiatus. It's just I've heard this path isn't linear said so many times and it always strikes me as blind optimism especially as we haven't closed the financial gap and this window is really reinforcing how important it is we do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 (edited) 8 minutes ago, jack j said: Why would Ramos come here though We need to look on the rung below if we are being realistic If we need to look at the rung below, we need to keep Isak, whether he likes it or not, end of. Edited August 6, 2025 by Toonpack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: So it's bad targeting then? As I've said absolutely no benefit trying to buy players who have better options. It's up to us to recognise this it's just a waste of time and resources. Id expect any director of football to take a level headed approach tbh, and not be swept away with hubris. It's another reason why you'd want one tbh. I understand the concept isn't popular but I think it's quite clear why this model exists and the manager led models basically died with Klopp. I mean yes we should have a DOF and it’s ridiculous that we don’t. I just think the targeting issues were going to happen this summer regardless. Hard to be the guy in the room pouring cold water on everything when we’ve just won a cup, qualified for the champions league, and can spend actual money for the first time in ages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said: Not sure where we go from here, it’s increasingly likely we start the season with Gordon or Osula up front. That in itself is a failure. Mental we are in this position given what we achieved last season. It’s worse than a failure. It’s completely unacceptable for a club that allegedly has ambitions of competing at the very top. I’d say heads should roll for such a pathetic transfer policy. But there’s not even anybody in the key positions of power to get the chop Which seems to be the main problem in itself. I don’t have an issue with targeting players that are perhaps that next rung up in value and proven ability to what we have mainly been going after before. But the complete inability to get a deal done or at least work on multiple deals or move onto the next one when it’s obvious we’re losing out. Is baffling. Hard to blame Howe or mini Howe too much. As they have been dealt a shit hand. But seems an incredibly rigid transfer policy and I don’t buy that we suddenly only have very obvious or unattainable and/or overpriced options to choose from. Nickson has been here years and we felt creative in the transfer market at times. Now it feels like a kid playing FM that only watches the Prem and the odd CL game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 Nickson’s halo and the goodwill from Tonali Bruno Isak et al has slipped majorly major redemption required Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 Just now, oldtype said: I mean yes we should have a DOF and it’s ridiculous that we don’t. I just think the targeting issues were going to happen this summer regardless. Hard to be the guy in the room pouring cold water on everything when we’ve just won a cup, qualified for the champions league, and can spend actual money for the first time in ages. The issues of this summer happen within the current structure I agree. Eddie is probably the best thing to happen to the club but the downside is he wants that final say and this is problematic as it doesn't fit the structure of a well run club. Also, it seems like we are well behind on the data side as well. Things are rough and we have structural issues it's unlikely we can resolve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 Just now, kingxlnc said: Nickson’s halo and the goodwill from Tonali Bruno Isak et al has slipped majorly major redemption required Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 (edited) Latest rumour I've heard is that Liverpool have asked us to give them the 24/25 EFL Cup we won and we're using all of our resources to see if that's possibile Edited August 6, 2025 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 1 minute ago, kingxlnc said: Nickson’s halo and the goodwill from Tonali Bruno Isak et al has slipped majorly major redemption required He's not in charge of signing players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 Heard Mitchell's real reason for leaving was he had the temerity to recommend a player that hadn't been scouted for 3 years previously and would've wanted to actually join us but wasn't on the select list of players that improve us. Andy Howe ran him out of town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 It really is strange like, I can only put it down to the backroom chaos and an overestimation of how attractive to players we would be. TBH I thought the same, I thought players would be desperate to come here. I guess they might be, just not it Liverpool or Chelsea want them. Fair to say we probably didn't expect all of our rivals to go on insane spending sprees at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 1 minute ago, kingxlnc said: Nickson’s halo and the goodwill from Tonali Bruno Isak et al has slipped majorly major redemption required The extent to which he is implicated is largely the extent to which he is performing functions outside of his original remit out of necessity, as far as I can tell. The fault ultimately lies at the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 1 minute ago, GEFAFWISP said: Heard Mitchell's real reason for leaving was he had the temerity to recommend a player that hadn't been scouted for 3 years previously and would've wanted to actually join us but wasn't on the select list of players that improve us. Andy Howe ran him out of town. I want players that improve us TBF, seems a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Latest rumour I've heard is that Liverpool have asked us to give them they 24/25 EFL Cup and we're using all of our resources to see if we can make that a possibility Package deal with Isak for £120 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Latest rumour I've heard is that Liverpool have asked us to give them the 24/25 EFL Cup we won and we're using all of our resources to see if that's possibile We'd somehow lose out to Chelsea in this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 2 minutes ago, kingxlnc said: Nickson’s halo and the goodwill from Tonali Bruno Isak et al has slipped majorly major redemption required What are they meant to do, they have offered the right amount for players and players choosing clubs with a bigger reputation worldwide. We aren't competing with these clubs yet on reputation even if likes of Man U are shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said: I want players that improve us TBF, seems a good idea. So do I, but I believe there's more than 5 of them in world football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 I just really, really hope there’s a file cabinet somewhere at the club labeled “list of less ambitious targets that we’ve scouted before and are comfortable signing if we have to.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted August 6, 2025 Share Posted August 6, 2025 2 minutes ago, GEFAFWISP said: So do I, but I believe there's more than 5 of them in world football. Not that can get to similar levels as Isak quickly there isn't and good forwards are hard to find that can fit our style and do it in this league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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