soyt Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, andycap said: Any news on incomings? Why would there be, it is not like we have fixture congestion or injuries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Just now, soyt said: Why would there be, it is not like we have fixture congestion or injuries Loose lips sink ships ya galloot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, huss9 said: we could and should have invested a lot more in our academy, a decent Dof, and a multiclub model. We will. Lots of things needed attention let’s be honest after MA. Rumours we are looking to buy Textor’s Brazilian club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teslact Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, andycap said: Any news on incomings? Headwinds in our search Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I literally forgot there was a transfer window happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) We need like 6/7 academy players that are good enough to step in when needed for a few games here and there. Like most other clubs seem to have. We're averaging like one every 5 years it feels like. We had a bumper few years with Miley and Anderson. Edit: one of which we fucked off. Edited January 15 by Weezertron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trx345 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 36 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: So if I ring Unique Sports Group they’ll drop me off some of the mind bending gear that you’re on ? I want to be higher than Dee Dee when he goes to the moon. what moon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, trx345 said: what moon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Weezertron said: We need like 6/7 academy players that are good enough to step in when needed for a few games here and there. Like most other clubs seem to have. We're averaging like one every 5 years it feels like. We had a bumper few years with Miley and Anderson. Edit: one of which we fucked off. It’s quite frustrating. Last regular defender to come through was Dummett, we’ve had Forster and Woodman fail their auditions as keepers with Krul the last regular. Similarly Armstrong and Campbell up front. Last CB was Steven Taylor and last right back feels like Aaron fucking Hughes. Andy Carroll the last striker in 2008. Aarons the last winger? Longstaff, Anderson and Miley the shining lights in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Improving the academy is arguably even more difficult than improving the first team and is the sort of thing that takes 5-10 years of sustained investment before you've built up enough of a reputation that you are consistently bringing in top prospects outside of your geographic area. I think we're in a much better place than we were when Steven Taylor and Andy Carroll were basically the only academy prospects to become first team regulars over about two decades. But still a ways to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 6 minutes ago, oldtype said: I think we're in a much better place than we were when Steven Taylor and Andy Carroll were basically the only academy prospects to become first team regulars over about two decades. But still a ways to go. Edited January 15 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said: Shola made his debut in 2000, so depending on how you position the two decades I may still be technically correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 hours ago, huss9 said: we could and should have invested a lot more in our academy, a decent Dof, and a multiclub model. I hope we don't go multiclub. It's repulsive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, oldtype said: Improving the academy is arguably even more difficult than improving the first team and is the sort of thing that takes 5-10 years of sustained investment before you've built up enough of a reputation that you are consistently bringing in top prospects outside of your geographic area. I think we're in a much better place than we were when Steven Taylor and Andy Carroll were basically the only academy prospects to become first team regulars over about two decades. But still a ways to go. Assuming there are no financial constraints on academy development (?), it seems like the easiest thing for PIF to pour money into. Build the best facilities, hire the best coaches and staff, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Just now, Deuce said: Assuming there are no financial constraints on academy development (?), it seems like the easiest thing for PIF to pour money into. Build the best facilities, hire the best coaches and staff, etc. Don't know if that's true or not, but if it is, yes, they should be pouring all of the money into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I hope we don't go multiclub. It's repulsive. Multiclub is one of those things that I would opt out of even if it definitely makes us more successful over the long run (I'm skeptical of that as well). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I'm not against multi club if it gives our academy kids a route into senior football. The jump is to big now and the u23 league is of such a poor standard nobody develops unless they go out on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) It’d be interesting if English football were to develop a model like in Spain or Germany where reserve sides compete in the same pyramid. Much prefer a “Newcastle United B” cutting about in League Two to PIF buying Montpellier and making them our whipping boy. With obvious constraints so that Chelsea can’t squirrel away PL-quality talent in their reserve side and beat the piss out of lower league sides. Edited January 15 by Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 17 minutes ago, Deuce said: It’d be interesting if English football were to develop a model like in Spain or Germany where reserve sides compete in the same pyramid. Much prefer a “Newcastle United B” cutting about in League Two to PIF buying Montpellier and making them our whipping boy. With obvious constraints so that Chelsea can’t squirrel away PL-quality talent in their reserve side and beat the piss out of lower league sides. We have a cup competition with this feature. It wouldn't be a good idea to allow kids to play in our lower leagues though. We have plenty of teams in the pyramid without the need for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 It's the amazing football pyramid we have that stops that I guess, would just affect the integrity of the lower leagues which loads of people follow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 27 minutes ago, Deuce said: It’d be interesting if English football were to develop a model like in Spain or Germany where reserve sides compete in the same pyramid. Much prefer a “Newcastle United B” cutting about in League Two to PIF buying Montpellier and making them our whipping boy. With obvious constraints so that Chelsea can’t squirrel away PL-quality talent in their reserve side and beat the piss out of lower league sides. Where are you from Deuce? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 He's from Morpeth I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 3 hours ago, Deuce said: Assuming there are no financial constraints on academy development (?), it seems like the easiest thing for PIF to pour money into. Build the best facilities, hire the best coaches and staff, etc. 3 hours ago, oldtype said: Don't know if that's true or not, but if it is, yes, they should be pouring all of the money into it. It doesn’t count towards PSR - you can invest as much as you want into an academy. Yet we’ve seen very little investment in almost five years. Odd that, given that without PSR PIF definitely would’ve spunked billions by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, Deuce said: It’d be shit if English football were to develop a model like in Spain or Germany where reserve sides compete in the same pyramid. Much prefer a “Newcastle United B” cutting about in League Two to PIF buying Montpellier and making them our whipping boy. With obvious constraints so that Chelsea can’t squirrel away PL-quality talent in their reserve side and beat the piss out of lower league sides. FTFY. Can’t think of anything worse than ripping up the football pyramid and depriving other towns of professional football so that a handful of rich clubs can bloat their squads with pile-it-high youngsters for PSR purposes. Happily, the FL would no doubt tell any club suggesting this to fuck right off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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