Pata Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, nufc4eva said: Barnes is way more productive than ASM has been. He provides more goal threat. ASM may dribble more but doesn't offer that much in way of assists or goals and is often frustrating. Having someone that can score outside or inside box compliments Isaak and Wilson when teams try to stay deep. I think it's a really good signing for us. He can probably help out more defensively than ASM as well. Never quite get the negativity considering where we have been. I trust Howe/Ashworth and the rest to get it right more often than wrong so going to trust that and they must have seen something to think he's a good fit with the team/tactics etc. ASM had really high xA per 90 last season, way ahead of Barnes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pata said: ASM had really high xA per 90 last season, way ahead of Barnes. Barnes has way more goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pata said: ASM had really high xA per 90 last season, way ahead of Barnes. And Barnes scored the same number of goals last season as ASM has in his entire NUFC career. Depends what you value I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Feelgood Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Scoring 13 league goals in 34 appearances last season in a team that got relegated is pretty impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, Andy84 said: Are we waiting for a “there’s been no contact but Newcaslte like the player” tweet from Hope or Edwards or is this one a goer May well have come from the Leicester side. No idea about the reliability of lads from the Torygraph and Graun who broke it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Barnes scores goals but can he do this. Wew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) I guess the way Eddie might be looking at it is if ASM isn't injured he'll still need his minutes managing and he'd prefer to use Joelinton in the middle, otherwise we look short there. He probably doesn't want to be in s position where he has to play Isak out there again. Edited July 8, 2023 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Barnes had way goals than Grealish and Bernardo Silva too. Let's not pretend being a wide player is as simple as looking at goalscoring stats. Barnes is alright but he's very one dimensional. His entire game is playing one twos to get in behind and having a shot. And his goalscoring output last season didn't exactly do much to keep Leicester in the PL. Personally not convinced he's a CL level player, although I don't think he's a terrible signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Watching a comp and he has a decent left foot cross on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Just now, ponsaelius said: Barnes had way goals than Grealish and Bernardo Silva too. Let's not pretend being a wide player is as simple as looking at goalscoring stats. Barnes is alright but he's very one dimensional. His entire game is playing one twos to get in behind and having a shot. And his goalscoring output last season didn't exactly do much to keep Leicester in the PL. Personally not convinced he's a CL level player, although I don't think he's a terrible signing. Scoring goals wasn’t the reason Leicester went down, incredibly harsh to even mention his goal scoring in relation to them being relegated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said: If we're signing him to replace ASM, it's a drop off in quality. Regardless of how fit ASM is. We'll see like. I mean, in terms of how much fun to watch they are ASM is clearly of higher quality. But I'm not sure how you can look at how productive they've been in their careers and come to the conclusion that Barnes is a drop off from Maxi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Barnes had way goals than Grealish and Bernardo Silva too. Let's not pretend being a wide player is as simple as looking at goalscoring stats. Barnes is alright but he's very one dimensional. His entire game is playing one twos to get in behind and having a shot. And his goalscoring output last season didn't exactly do much to keep Leicester in the PL. Personally not convinced he's a CL level player, although I don't think he's a terrible signing. This is a really strange take on things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 I've not seen Barnes have a game like ASM did last year against Man City. I don't think he's a player who can terrorise and unsettle the opposition with the ball. Nor does he have the cuteness to be a low block breaker like Maddison is. That's why I'm slightly concerned at the signing. You've got to look past pure stats output and see what he's going to offer in your team. I'd imagine Howe et al have done that and definitely sees how his game (particularly workrate and off the ball movement) will perhaps compliment our game - he's just not a signing who really excites me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Barnes had way goals than Grealish and Bernardo Silva too. Let's not pretend being a wide player is as simple as looking at goalscoring stats. Barnes is alright but he's very one dimensional. His entire game is playing one twos to get in behind and having a shot. And his goalscoring output last season didn't exactly do much to keep Leicester in the PL. Personally not convinced he's a CL level player, although I don't think he's a terrible signing. But he doesn't just score goals... Before last season, he was getting plenty of assists. He's proven himself to be a very effective final third player in the PL. That much is obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: I've not seen Barnes have a game like ASM did last year against Man City. I don't think he's a player who can terrorise and unsettle the opposition with the ball. Nor does he have the cuteness to be a low block breaker like Maddison is. That's why I'm slightly concerned at the signing. You've got to look past pure stats output and see what he's going to offer in your team. I'd imagine Howe et al have done that and definitely sees how his game (particularly workrate and off the ball movement) will perhaps compliment our game - he's just not a signing who really excites me. But you have probably seen Barnes have better games than all of ASM’s games after Man City. And there lies the problem, consistency. Something Barnes can offer more of I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) Personally I get more excited when the ball hits the back of the net than when a player does a skill around another. Edited July 8, 2023 by BonesJones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Looking at @kocunar’s great FFP analysis then he’ll be one of the two 30m ish players we’ll be looking to bring in to compete for a starting spot. Expecting a defensive addition in the same price bracket next. Limited player tactically but great end-product at a no-brainer of a price. I think the only concern is that we’ll be selling a massive talent in ASM for him; if that isn’t the case then he’s quite a sensible signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) Cant believe the debate of ASM Vs Barnes is even happening. Watching ASM is like pulling teeth most the time. He's another sissoko, not enough productivity. The level has outgrown him and that showed lat season. Barnes would have been out 2nd top scorer last season with his stats. Edited July 8, 2023 by Gazzaschicken Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, BonesJones said: Personally I get more excited when the ball hits the back of the net than when a player does a skill around another. Not to mention potentially getting a win/3 points that puts us further up the table or towards a cup final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 I’ve seen the ASM performance v Man City mentioned when he was outstanding but how often have we seen that from him, if Maxi could reach that level in the majority of games he would be one of the best in the league but can any of us hand on heart see him operating at that level consistently. I really hope we keep him and sign Barnes, we need a deeper squad and better options, I think Barnes output over the past few years has been good and certainly adds depth to the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gbandit Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Impressive as fuck those stats Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 ASM another Sissoko REgardless of a decent goalscoring return (6 in 32 the previous season btw) he's not good enough for a team wanting to consistently finish in the top 4 imo. Neither is Gordon either for what its worth but he might develop more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 If Barnes' strength is the give-and-go then he should score a shitload for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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