r0cafella Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: No rush. I'm sure it'll happen in time. Definitely is a rush like, we could offload so much junk including wages to a sister club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Definitely is a rush like, we could offload so much junk including wages to a sister club They've been here for a year and a half. They've barely touched the sides in terms of tapping into our potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Would be sad to see ASM go because I think at his best he's far more electric and unplayable than Barnes, but his injury record is a major problem. According to transfermarkt: 22/23: Missed 13 games 21/22: Missed 3 games 20/21: Missed 18 games 19/20: Missed 12 games I count 5 hamstring injuries (4 if we're being kind because 1 was a setback) plus 4 muscle injuries there. These seem to be recurring and as an explosive player facing a more congested fixture list than before, I wouldn't be surprised to see him miss a dozen or more again. ASM is a better wildcard option off the bench, but I'm struggling to think of successful clubs who kept an injury prone top earner in this kind of role? Correct me if I've missed any obvious ones. ASM's fitness record means you absolutely can't plan around him being a first teamer. With Barnes you could. I saw someone comparing Barnes stats to Rashford and not only are they very close, but that's a good comparison in terms of style. Unlike ASM, Barnes is a more direct player who just wants the shortest route to goal and is more pragmatic in his play. We know Barnes isn't capable of what ASM can do but he is much more consistently effective and fit, and has a ruthlessness in front of goal which we are lacking. As for selling ASM, I don't see how we'd get away with selling to Saudi clubs, but I think some here underestimate what Premier League clubs might pay for ASM. For the same reason it's a tough decision for us to sell him, other clubs also know what he's capable of. He helped keep us up and is coming into his peak years. I absolutely could see a desperate club forking out and gambling on him, but it would probably be late in the window, because the richer clubs tend to get their business done first and then the dominoes start to fall and then panic sets in. Could we regret it? Definitely if he stays fit. He could do a Bellamy and turn a corner fitness wise, but he could also see a recurrence of hamstring issues that just keeps getting worse. We need squad depth and I'd trust Barnes to be available when the big games are coming thick and fast. If ASM could stay fully fit thoughout the season in a functional team I think he'd post similar numbers to Barnes, but what are the chances? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenties Unlaced Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Signing Barnes would be about reliability and flexibility in my view. The last 5 seasons he played 40 or more games in 4 of them. He's a right footed left winger. Combine that with his impressive goals/exp goals stats for a winger, then at the right price this seams like a no-brainer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, jack j said: FCB incoming, arm the missile defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, jack j said: HARVEY BARNES KLAXON Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Just fucking do this already. Boring as fuck waiting… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Take your time Harvard Barn, could understand the Tonali wait but you're takin the mick now fella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 (edited) This is going to be Maddison all over again isn't it. Edited July 12, 2023 by Beth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Beth said: This is going to be Maddison all over again isn't it. What, never really in for them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Doesn't seem remotely like our move for Maddison. The clubs were miles apart in valuation and as far we know, the player never agreed terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 I don’t even think we will sign Barnes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 It seems pretty inevitable at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Doesn't seem remotely like our move for Maddison. The clubs were miles apart in valuation and as far we know, the player never agreed terms. It was nowt to do with valuation, we would have paid £40m but Spurs offered a higher wage and his lass probably fancied London more as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Beth said: It was nowt to do with valuation, we would have paid £40m but Spurs offered a higher wage and his lass probably fancied London more as well. I was referring to the original bid in 2022. Does the above relate to Barnes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: I was referring to the original bid in 2022. Does the above relate to Barnes? So you think we were never in for him this summer then? It's a pity he didn't fancy joining us, as along with signing Tonali that would've been our entire midfield sorted for the next 3 or 4 seasons. Like Gascoigne joining Spurs over Man U all those years ago for extra money, I think he could regret it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Beth said: So you think we were never in for him this summer then? It's a pity he didn't fancy joining us, as along with signing Tonali that would've been our entire midfield sorted for the next 3 or 4 seasons. Like Gascoigne joining Spurs over Man U all those years ago for extra money, I think he could regret it. beth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Beth said: So you think we were never in for him this summer then? It's a pity he didn't fancy joining us, as along with signing Tonali that would've been our entire midfield sorted for the next 3 or 4 seasons. Like Gascoigne joining Spurs over Man U all those years ago for extra money, I think he could regret it. I think we were definitely interested in Maddison in some capacity, but I have no idea if we made a move. Reports have been pretty mixed on that. On the other hand the Barnes transfer seems to be a one horse race, with most reporting we've either agreed terms or we're his preferred destination. Feels more like the Gordon transfer to me. The player was keen, but it took a while to come to an agreement with Everton. Meanwhile fans tried to convince themselves we weren't in for him because they either didn't like him, didn't rate him as a player or were hoping for a sexier name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boyo Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 I didn’t mind his name. The hair just never really did it for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabtoon Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 This Barnes thing seems club and agent led sniffing out bids. Dont think we have even considered him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boyo Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 I do think there’s something in it. We’re edging close, but nothings in concrete just yet. We’ve agreed personal terms, but we’re still way off by a few days. Maybe a week. Just keep an eye on those private jets . It might be him, but it probably isn’t. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 (edited) An agent would have more names in the mix. Leicester were almost certainly hoping for a bidding war though. Edited July 12, 2023 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Seems like we’re his number one choice and wants to sign, just needs the clubs to make the deal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 Just thinking about that time we signed John Barnes and he finished top goalscorer with 11 goals or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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