gazza ladra Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Couple more and we're in very decent nick. Starting to think LB might not be on the cards, which is a shame but I can live with it. CB essential though. I was thinking a LB would free up Burn to play CB. If either Botman or Schär go down for an extended period, we could have serious trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 49 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Based on maths we certainly could I said that the other week - my only gripe about Gordon and Barnes is we could have shelled out their combined fee for 1 truly world class winger imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) Gordon, Willock, Isak, Botman, Tonali all under 25. Barnes, Bruno and Longstaff are 25. Joelinton is 26. 9 starting calibre PL players. A front 6 that’s all got the best years in front of them. Barnes - Isak - Gordon Willock/JL - Bruno - Tonali/Longstaff Edited July 19, 2023 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I know we can have pages and pages of discourse on whether this is a good deal or a bright idea, but I'm kind of just basking in the glow of us signing 'good players' (even on paper) in weak positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Thinking about this in a more abstract way he’s basically a far, far better version of Fraser isn’t he? Doesn’t have a trick as such but runs about loads, one touch and pass/cross/hit, wants to get in behind loads. Framing it like that makes more sense as to why Howe wants him. Do think swapping him for Maxi makes us a little bit more one dimensional especially against deep defences but we shall wait and see I guess. And as I’ve said RE: Gordon even if he’s shit you’re still getting most your £ back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 We need another dusting of superstar quality up top a la Chiesa to keep us covered. instead of livramento how about fresneda who we we linked with in January for about 15m. Linked with Bournemouth in bbc gossip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 FWIW in his highlights Barnes beats a man plenty of times. Not in the way that ASM does of course, but he goes past defenders all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 38 minutes ago, Tina Tooner said: If we add Disasi then this window has been unbelievable IMO Unbelievable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: £80m on English wingers that don’t make the England squad. Those cost £100 million each. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 hours ago, gdm said: It’s not even that I don’t rate him so u clearly haven’t been paying attention I do rate him he’s decent. Just not as good as people are trying to convince themselves he is. I just don’t think he’s next level. We’ve got a defence that’s getting there, one of the best midfields in the league and we are spending £80m on to wingers that may or may not come good. Well he plays more games and gets more goals and assists in the premier League so it's definitely a step up a level. No need to try and convince oneself of anything really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 The biggest thing that convinced me this transfer will be a success is that I trust the club to get it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Ive refused to watch a Barnes highlights vid as a thread here normally means the transfers kiss of death. Might have to watch a few. By a few - I mean all of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 2 hours ago, brummie said: Surprised at the lukewarm-ness of this thread. I really rate Barnes. Decent coaching instead of Rodgers sat with his feet up, coasting and waiting for the pay off will make the difference here. I really rate Barnes, but also completely underwhelmed by the signing. Think it comes down to rating ASM (and Maddison as well Tbf) higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viana Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: £80m on English wingers that don’t make the England squad. Harsh on Gordon given he's part of the youth setup. Barnes has a point to prove, and I kind of like that energy coming to the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabtoon Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANqQT-Z3ZAs He certainly knows where the goal is. and loves a volley. Edited July 20, 2023 by prefabtoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 I really don’t like this trade. I mean, if we really sell ASM, I do expect we would go big on someone like Kvara that would be a certain starter on the left. We have Gordon and Joelinton as cover for this position and why add another player that probably just similar to Gordon’s level? I would even prefer to just let Gordon start and buy an expensive right winger like Diaby. sorry guys I really don’t like this trade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Zero said: I really don’t like this trade. I mean, if we really sell ASM, I do expect we would go big on someone like Kvara that would be a certain starter on the left. We have Gordon and Joelinton as cover for this position and why add another player that probably just similar to Gordon’s level? I would even prefer to just let Gordon start and buy an expensive right winger like Diaby. sorry guys I really don’t like this trade. If we were just getting Barnes then I'd see your point, sort of, I mean we're trading a player that's barely on the pitch, for someone that will be on the pitch and scores goals. There's no arguement really though because selling ASM gives us more spending power, and this will inevitably lead to more strength in the team across the pitch. I think the level of winger you're talking about is out of range right now and also doesn't make sense to blow the budget on 1 position when there's a few that need upgrades. If you want us to win games, Barnes is the type of player we need, because theres nothing as important as putting that ball in the net, fuck every other stat, dribbling, take ons etc etc, if you can consistently score you're invaluable. Edited July 20, 2023 by BonesJones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 I think finishing in the top 4 and the wealth of our owners has warped some perception of what a good signing looks like for us. We are still a way of from competing with the 'top 6' in terms of fees and wages. We are operating in more of the Villa/West Ham type territory really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, KaKa said: Those cost £100 million each. Fair. But it's still kind of "meh" isn't it? 3 minutes ago, Jaqen said: I think finishing in the top 4 and the wealth of our owners has warped some perception of what a good signing looks like for us. We are still a way of from competing with the 'top 6' in terms of fees and wages. We are operating in more of the Villa/West Ham type territory really. I don't think that's true. Tonali, Botman, Bruno & Isak are the type of players the elite were looking at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 38 minutes ago, Zero said: I would even prefer to just let Gordon start and buy an expensive right winger like Diaby. sorry guys I really don’t like this trade. No guarantee that Diaby would be better than Barnes. Personally, I don't watch much Bundesliga and all I know about Diaby is that he's highly regarded and expensive. Can't say I was especially impressed with his highlight vids. Looked really slight. Neither Diaby or Barnes is especially known for tracking back or defending from the front, but I could see Barnes adapting. Not so confident about Diaby. His defending is incredibly weak. And Barnes has proven he can score in the Premier League. With Diaby we just don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 4 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: If we weren’t selling Maxi I’m sure everyone would be very excited. It’s a very good signing. Maxi barely played last year and we did ok. Good signing, and has goals and assists to add to the team that got us 4th. Excited to see him grow with EH and the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Nobody said: I really rate Barnes, but also completely underwhelmed by the signing. Think it comes down to rating ASM (and Maddison as well Tbf) higher. Barnes over Madison for me. I think Bruno can be our Madison if allowed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 3 hours ago, gazza ladra said: I was thinking a LB would free up Burn to play CB. If either Botman or Schär go down for an extended period, we could have serious trouble. Targett? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, gazza ladra said: No guarantee that Diaby would be better than Barnes. Personally, I don't watch much Bundesliga and all I know about Diaby is that he's highly regarded and expensive. Can't say I was especially impressed with his highlight vids. Looked really slight. Neither Diaby or Barnes is especially known for tracking back or defending from the front, but I could see Barnes adapting. Not so confident about Diaby. His defending is incredibly weak. And Barnes has proven he can score in the Premier League. With Diaby we just don't know. You know what? I don’t rate Diaby that high too. That’s why I HATE this trade. I would even prefer to risk someone with higher ceiling on a position that we need upgrades, rather than spending on someone that cannot massively improve our starting eleven AND we have enough covers on left wing. Probably even Maddison would be a better choice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Love reading all the football coaches opinions on here mind . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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