Harvey Barnes

[Rafalove]

6 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

He’s not really a dribbler, he’s more like an efficiency player. Gets the ball, makes a decision and an action, executes a shot (usually). 
 

See him as much more a wide forward than a creative player. 
 

He was wank tonight of course. 

 

 

Yeah, from the few times I saw him at Leicester, this is what I thought. I’m banking on Eddie being able to make it work with him, but I’m skeptical.

[Pata]

2 minutes ago, Big Jow said:

He’s a vast improvement on Murphy.

 

They play a different position.

[Big Jow]

2 minutes ago, Pata said:

 

They play a different position.

 

I say that as I expect Murphy drops out and Gordon takes his position with Barnes on the left. 

[cubaricho]

42 minutes ago, Rafalove said:

I’m banking on Eddie being able to make it work with him, but I’m skeptical.

What?!  

[Yorkie]

Ropey performance but he hit that ball beautifully for that long range effort, which is a somewhat encouraging sign. We could really do with someone (other than our CB) who can ping one from outside the box - it's definitely something we've lacked in our attacking arsenal. 

[TRC]

Just now, Yorkie said:

Ropey performance but he hit that ball beautifully for that long range effort, which is a somewhat encouraging sign. We could really do with someone (other than our CB) who can ping one from outside the box - it's definitely something we've lacked in our attacking arsenal. 

100% need someone who can just lash it. I know the game has changed but how many times did Lampard and Gerrard shitping one to save their teams.

 

Not sure if Tonali has that in his locker

[Sibierski]

7 hours ago, Rafalove said:

 

 

Yeah, from the few times I saw him at Leicester, this is what I thought. I’m banking on Eddie being able to make it work with him, but I’m skeptical.

If he’s going to be playing as IF, then we probably need the LB to be providing the width then, otherwise it ends up easier to mark him.

 

Feels we’re stuck between two places. Don’t play with full backs hitting byline, so go centrally, but then we don’t have the players to move the ball around quickly centrally except Bruno. Ends up in stodgy stuff like last night. Feels we’ve got the personal to change it though, which would help with Barnes. Off topic, but felt Gordon was good through middle (finishing aside). Constant great movement and run, which enabled space for Barnes who just needed to hit the back post more instead of staying safe outside.

[Nucasol]

He was always a player for Howe’s “intensity is our identity” system rather than anything else. Run Gordon into the ground for 60-65 mins then Barnes comes on to do the same to the opposition right back.

[The Prophet]

3 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

He was always a player for Howe’s “intensity is our identity” system rather than anything else. Run Gordon into the ground for 60-65 mins then Barnes comes on to do the same to the opposition right back.

 

I'm not sure that's true, Barnes has never really been a grafter.

[Nucasol]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

I'm not sure that's true, Barnes has never really been a grafter.

I mean more in the sense that he’ll be fresh rotation meat to go at and beyond an already flagging full back. The philosophy of the signing was sound but the reality has played out unfortunately since Harvinho broke his velociraptor foot.

[The Prophet]

Just now, Nucasol said:

I mean more in the sense that he’ll be fresh rotation meat to go at and beyond an already flagging full back. The philosophy of the signing was sound but the reality has played out unfortunately since Harvinho broke his velociraptor foot.

 

I'm with you 

 

Personally I think we saw a clinical player in a squad lacking them out wide and in midfield.

 

We were often credited with a creative problem last season when it was more often than not wastefulness in front of goal.

[NEEJ]

He thrived on one-twos at Leicester, so it'll naturally take a bit of time for him to find his flow with our lot. Once it clicks I think he'll be a real asset and worth every penny.

 

As far as I'm concerned, there have been enough flashes so I'm not worried. 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

He'll be up and down while he builds himself up. He's missed a lot of football.

 

Of course. He's probably played about 200 minutes since Sheff Utd. As long as he's showing signs then I'm happy (goal v Luton, that burst that opened up the space leading to the goal at Arsenal, even the shot that went not far over last night). 

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

I'm with you 

 

Personally I think we saw a clinical player in a squad lacking them out wide and in midfield.

 

We were often credited with a creative problem last season when it was more often than not wastefulness in front of goal.

I think the data would back up this view. 
 

From an eye test though, the team has always lacked guile going forward - some footballing ability.  
 

It’s these last 3 major signings (Tonali, Gordon, Barnes) that make people think has a preference of physicality over technical ability. For their positions they are not as technical as Bruno or Isak.  

[The Prophet]

23 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I think the data would back up this view. 
 

From an eye test though, the team has always lacked guile going forward - some footballing ability.  
 

It’s these last 3 major signings (Tonali, Gordon, Barnes) that make people think has a preference of physicality over technical ability. For their positions they are not as technical as Bruno or Isak.  

 

We definetly lack technical players who are comfortable with the ball at their feet. Longstaff, Joelinton and Almiron have been good players for us over the last couple of years, but they lack that quality.

[Lotus]

Not unusual for players who’ve been out for a long while to have a storming game back and then a few sub par performances. Adrenaline gets them through the 1st one. After that the lack of match sharpness takes a while.

He’ll look better in 2-3 weeks.

Same with Willock.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

I think the data would back up this view. 
 

From an eye test though, the team has always lacked guile going forward - some footballing ability.  
 

It’s these last 3 major signings (Tonali, Gordon, Barnes) that make people think has a preference of physicality over technical ability. For their positions they are not as technical as Bruno or Isak.  

 

Unfair on Gordon who is technically excellent, and possibly on Tonali too.

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Unfair on Gordon who is technically excellent, and possibly on Tonali too.

Gordon is very solid technically but he's not progressive or creative with the ball. For a winger he doesn't beat a man often or carry the ball loads. He doesn't often play a cute pass through the lines.

 

All the cute passing comes from Schar, Trippier & Bruno. All the progressive running on the ball comes from Willock, Joelinton and Livra.

 

Neither Gordon or Tonali or the type to pass it through the lines loads. Tonali has a great switch and cross mind and can run with it. Gordon is a nice crosser off both feet too.

 

The technical profile I'm describing is more Paqueta, Maddison & Palmer. Having another proper baller will help us keep possession better and higher up the pitch.

[KingArthur]

I think he is not a very good footballer, but an efficient one.

[TRon]

10 hours ago, Big Jow said:

 

He’s a vast improvement on Murphy.

 

That's not really much of a compliment tbh. But he is coming back from a long layoff, might be as @madras said, he is just a bit rusty.

[gbandit]

Gordon is excellent at cutting inside with the ball and always beats his man or wins the foul. Down the line it’s different. Barnes is all about receiving the ball in the final 25 yards, cutting in and striking at goal. His game is fairly limited but extremely effective when used properly 

[Andy]

Hasn't been as clinical as you'd expect in the last few matches, and that is basically his entire game and why we signed him. If he isn't clinical, he's borderline useless, as brutal as it sounds. He's the wing equivalent of an Inzaghi. 

 

[huss9]

fucking hell.

[mouldy_uk]

He’s back from a nasty injury so needs time to get up to speed. 
 

If he was shit and he had been playing all season and we were doing well, then I’d be more concerned. 

[Andy]

24 minutes ago, huss9 said:

fucking hell.

 

If that's in response to my post, is it incorrect? He's a pure output player, he doesn't offer much else. If he's off form, he'll look terrible and receive criticism as we've seen today. If he's on form, he'll win games for you.